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She spent the night in jail. If she posted bail the charges will be dropped and that will be the end of it except for the 10% fee the bail bondsman charges.
If she didn't have the money to post bail then after 2-3 days in lockup she would be offered a release on her own recognance. The big strings attached to that of course is she would have to agree to go to Anger Management Classes for the next year and not sue the Sheriff's Dept.
The cop made his point....Screw with me and I will make up a reason to take from your home and arrest you regardless of your Fourth Amendment Rights. You will have to hire an attorney (more money down the drain) to pursue any type of lawsuit. In the mean time my official arrest report will be written up to make you look a career criminal with a drug problem. Oh, and thanks to REDACTION, I can do this at any time I want to. File a complaint with the Citizen' Review Board? Go ahead, the name is deceptive....There are no citizens on the board. All complaints are reviewed by Sheriff's Deputies, NOT citizens. Also' if you DO file a complaint, just above where you sign there is a paragraph that states 'Any evidence of any wrong doing by the officer being investigated will not be released to the public'.
And let's don't forget Bonnie Dumanis literally let's us cops get away shooting who ever we want.
The next time a cop asks her if she has ever been arrested, she will have to answer 'Yes'. Then, of course, the cop will want to know what for...Assault on a peace officer...Bam, back in handcuffs for the cops safety. These 'Adjusted Attitude Arrests' stay with you your whole life.
The old woman will think twice the next time a cop asks for personal information. Never say anything to a cop wthout your lawyer present.
Watch your backs in this town, folks. The cops here have always been a little wild, but we've had a real problem for about three years now.
Excellent advice!
Oh but I hate the cops, according to him/her/shim/it.
"If she posted bail the charges will be dropped and that will be the end of it except for the 10% fee the bail bondsman charges."
Huh?
And since when is alienating neighbors against the law?
And since when does a second "complaint" negate a persons 4th amendment rights?
If deputy dog had a brain between his ears, he would have sought permission by asking to see the owner and talked to them at the door. Instead, he took it upon himself to walk right on into the middle of the whole affair. How stupid can one be?
Easy way to avoid situations like this:
ASK PERMISSION TO ENTER! It's called CYA!
So the witness accounts don't go the way you think they should, so they must be lying.
AND, all of law enforcement is infallible.
Yeah, right......
In order to make the arrest, he had to come in the home. Which by all accounts, he did not have permission to enter!
Busby has already admitted loud speakers were used. so it doesn't look like sheriffs were just cruising for problems??
But you sure do enjoy imagining conversations/thoughts/scenarios that match up with your pre-determined ideas.
Law enforcement officers in this area are POORLY trained in dealing with PEOPLE. Most do NOT have the ability to defuse simple situations and seem to always ESCALATE the problems. I've seen it since the first day I moved to this area over 20 years ago.
That is why this area has such a huge number of officer related shootings and incidents like this one.. They come to every scene with their "attitude" and everything goes down hill from there.
Just think back at all the ridiculous shootings by police over the past 20 years......most of them over the most stupid of original complaints.
I swear officers around here can cause a simple lost dog report to morph into a 50 person riot.
PUBLIC RELATIONS training was alloted the most hours in the police academy I graduated from in the 70's on the east coast.....and believe me it shows.
There has been SOME improvement here during the past decade (which is why shootings have declined), but they still have a long way to go in their training practices.
Until the academies around her start training officers on the simple methods of DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC, this kind of nonsense will continue.
OK, I'm ready for all the officer attacks of my post to begin.......(to the rest of you, take note because that same "attitude" they use on the street.....will show up here.)
Civilians are NOT in the military.......and you cannot treat them as if they were.
You graduated from an academy that spent most of their time on PR? This isn't the 70's and you are compairing So Cal with that horrible EAST coast. If I recall most of the biggest crime areas are the EAST coast. The police there must need more training in areas OTHER than PR.
I really do not believe YOU were ever a cop. You just set up your post to convince other haters of your so called qualifications.
Really..."OK, I'm ready for all the officer attacks of my post to begin.......(to the rest of you, take note because that same "attitude" they use on the street.....will show up here.)".. what is this? Third grade? LoL...if you disagree with my post it proves I am right.
As to your last paragraph, I did NOT say anyone who disagreed with me proves I am right. It is the WAY you disagree, the TERMS you use that prove I am right.
And right on key, 2 of you proved my point perfectly.
You spelled dirtbag wrong.
The publics' interaction with law enforcement on the east is usually on a better level.
BUT
Why do you think that is? It's because of years of positive interaction between them. It's because of the training that officers receive on how to defuse a bad situation. With the exception of New York and Philadelphia, most east coast departments don't have the luxury of having 5 or 6 units available to answer a call, many times even the potentially dangerous ones. Officers have to use that PR training to handle the problem....or get ready for a brawl. (which sometimes does occur no matter what).
I still remember one long time police instructor in my academy trying to make the point that PR is so vitally important to do our jobs.
In comparing the 2 types of approaches that can be used by officers, he said "suppose you have a small disturbance at the corner bar. One officer comes in all full of himself, demanding all this information from everybody there, threatening to use the pepper spray and quoting the sections and subsections of the Penal Code that could apply to their behavior.......the other guy comes in quietly talking to those who are disagreeing, trying to actually solve their problem."
Who do you think is going to be more successful? After all the REASON an officer was called to that scene was NOT necessarily to make an arrest, but to SOLVE the problem in the most effective means possible.
Are there sometimes going to be instances where nothing is going to work but a hard-ass response? Sure. But not as many times as is the norm out here.
Here is a personal example, from when I was working. It was routine to check the make out points on a Friday or Saturday night, for underage drinking. If kids were found with alcohol, we would have them dump it out and chase them away. I did this one night, and the beer dumped was two cases of expensive beer, the kid was 16. That night at the end of my shift, my Sgt called me in and wanted to know where the Juvenile Contact report was on the kid and why the beer hadn't been logged into evidence. Apparently, the kid went home and complained to his dad. Turns out dad bought the beer and wanted it back. In the end, I got written up for not following procedures, for destruction of evidence, and not filing proper paperwork. Here I was giving the kid a break, and I was the one that got slammed.
You've got a soft spot in your heart for dirtbags.
"That is why this area has such a huge number of officer related shootings and incidents like this one.. They come to every scene with their "attitude" and everything goes down hill from there."
Here, read about one of your soul mates. I guess Riggs was also to blame for "escalating" the incident. Jerk.
http://www.sandiegopolicemuseum.com/SDPD/Fallen...
Here's another link where you can commiseate over the treatment of more of your heroes.
http://www.sdsheriff.net/tmw/alavi.html
DZ5059 and luvdup, meet your soul mate.
"Dirtbags" "Jerk"
Is that the way you were taught to talk to the public?
Why should tax payers be stuck with the bill for this overzealous crap - - a helicopter, that is absurd
sent the bill to the freak who called the cops
and then cry foul.
Those actions will ALWAYS bring a huge response, & are the SOLE reason it was required.
the noise complaint was NOT responsible for the waste of taxpayer funds, bill it to Busby, especially if she wants to stand behind the host & condones her actions.
She, regardless if right or wrong overall in the course of the night (I don't know wasn't there) had no reason to give him that info, he didn't need it. Nor was it required of her to do so. Just because a police officer wears a badge, does not give him the right to be above the law and the law states he asks for her name and address. Why is her age important in breaking up a noise complaint?
Maybe if people were aware of their rights, including the police themselves we would have less issues like this in the US. Just because you think its not a big deal to give up your rights to privacy, doesn't mean there is those of us who don't. And the fact that I may or may not have nothing to "hide" has nothing to do with it.
Sounds to me, from the comments you are making about "Defiant lesbo" you have nothing more then a personal vendetta against her because she is gay, which a lot of you do. I am a Married father of two, non gay, but I do not believe the police have the right to give anyone a "smack down" unless their life is in danger, unfortunate for him when / if this goes to any sort of civil suit, her not giving her birthday won't be grounds for him or his officers using pepper spray.
Also, for the rest of you who are saying they have to follow up on a noise complaint, sure they do, but when they get there and realize there was a dispute between the two over the fact she was gay they should have gone to the other houses near by and asked if there was any problems to make sure it wasn't him putting in a false report because his ego was hurt. On top of that, why in the hell were so many police cars and and a helicopter needed? With our state budget in crises, our local budget foobar, did we really need to pay for all that just to break up a party? This isn't south central we are talking about here, its an upper middle class area.
I think you are mistaking neocon's for real republicans.
davew - you are either incredibly arrogant and stupid or you have some sort of death wish
What kind of "13 year old" response is that?
I sure as heck hope you don't have kids that you are mentoring with this attitude.
I think the only thing that would have gone down hard and fast is you behind bars.
NOT SMART!
She didn't get thrown to the ground for refusing to disclose her age. Because there was a complaint and because the cop was conducting a criminal investigation and because she was the suspect in that investigation she was not free to leave when she did. When he went to restrain her after she walked away she resisted - THAT's what escalated the situation, not the withholding of the info itself.
Besides, cops don't convict anyone. They observe and report. Then the DA decides whether there's a case. If there is and the DA isn't going for the plea bargain they take it to court where a judge (in the event its a misdemeanor) hears the DAs case and decides whether the cop's account was credible or not. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.
But in no case does a cop "convict" anyone. In this case, the cop was just collecting information until the partygoers decided to get combative. Don't start nothin' and there won't be nothin'.
from one of the Gay Gestapoettes
who CHEERED
when one of your foot soldiers
PUNCHED the 78-year old guy in the face
for having the AUDACITY to display a "Yes on 8" banner
on his own front yard.
Your argument for the deputy is so obviously bankrupt y'all can't even keep it on topic FFS. He is just another one of the unqualified pigs in that county that have a us v them attitude coupled w/ an inability to relate to people socially w/o coming from a position of authority.
Honestly, don't make me call Erin!
ohh..... that only applies to people that read the bible in their homes.
The people are always "doing nothing wrong" and thats sets a defensive perimeter around everyone and anything at the party....and sometimes the defensive mood turns offensive very quickly. I have been on ride alongs and seen it happen three times....and that is when the officers call for back up...
People ALWAYS get beligerent and start mouthing off and the rest is history, as they say. I don't know if the noise complaint was valid, but just do as an officer asks/tells you to do and usually, if it's the first call to the party, no one gets in trouble....the officer will just ask to keep the noise down.
It's pretty simple folks!!
The other 5% were going to be a problem regardless of what anyone did.
"Twenty-Paul-4, cover now! I have 10 drunk elderly lesbian ladies disobeying my commands, pepper spray deployed. Request the RSVP units too!"
Possible additional radio calls made: "Twenty-Paul 4, requesting S.E.D. (SWAT), requesting Astrea for air strikes with some dumb bombs, requesting TERROR-ALERT color warning level be elevated to condition AMBER, or was that YELLOW...just get me help out here, I'm having a hard time getting pain compliance in a 61 year old lady, she called me a SWINE, I request Officer Mansker with an AR-15 CODE-3 in Coronado Mazda Tom-1."
I bet that deputy is going to get teased by some of the ones he maybe is not friends with back at the station.
If the people present had dealt with the deputy in a polite, civilized manner, acknowledged personal space and not interfered, then perhaps the outcome would be different.
What can you do for me? The golden rule apparently went out of style long ago.
Why don't they try a little harder to be more pleasant and not assholes all of the time?
in the face and arresting him?
In case you didn't know, the correct answer is that it does not. We don't have any legal obligation to be polite in return to the police, even when they're polite to us. That's how it is in a democracy...they work for us and they're required to respect and protect our rights. If they don't like that, they should turn in their badges.
What the police SHOULD have done in this case is first talk to the complaintant and ask him, "What's the problem?". Also, they could observe for themselves if the party was too loud or not. From the article it appears that the amplified talking was over by the time the
police arrived and it was just a number of people talking among themselves...hardly a situation that required deadly force!
The police were out of line and should be thankful they weren't shot.
The demeanor of the noise source goes a long way in the outcome. Act like a jerk, and it will be noted in the report. True, you have no legal obligation, but neither does the cop, to treat you with respect. The person contacted 99% of the time determines how the contact will proceed. The choice is yours.
Oh really?
What, they can't hear for themselves?
I guess the police can't see or talk either, right?
If the police get called for a problem and the problem has
stopped, they haven't got any reason to arrest anyone, not even
to make a citizen's arrest.
For the police to make an arrest for an infraction, even a citizen's arrest, the
alledged crime must take place in their presence. If someone alledges a
misdemeanor and the police didn't see it or have sufficient evidence that would
allow them to testify to the crime themselves, then the most they can
do is write a report and suggest to the complainant to get an attorney to
file a civil complaint themselves.
Here, there wasn't any reason for the police to get hostile. There isn't any
indication that the noise was so great that it could constitute a public disturbance
and in fact, just the opposite: People living on three other sides of the
party didn't hear anything until the police helicopter showed up!!
And so what if the citizen is a jerk? The police should be trained to ignore that
as well. They should be able to handle people who in stressful situations without
'adding gasoline to the fire'.
For the police to go "postal" as they reportedly did in this case
should be grounds for dismissal.
And, for me, if ANYONE, even a police
officer, was pepper spraying me or any member of my family IN MY HOUSE,
I would be justified in taking one of my guns and BLOWING THEM AWAY.
I might go to jail, but the brute would be going to his grave.
If enough people felt as I do, and if a few actually did that, we'd have a
sharp drop in police misconduct.
-Edward
How many times have you heard or read about a cop that under his own volition walked up to a private residence without a "call for service" to shut down a loud party? Again, know what you're talking about before you post.
You contradict yourself when you say the citizen is making the arrest, but that the
cops are acting as his agent. The police don't "represent" anyone except
the state (or themselves).
If the cops are going to make the arrest they have to have seen it or have
some evidence of the crime. If the guy in your case has a bloody noise
or the assailant admits to hitting him, then they have that evidence.
But that wasnt' the case here.
Here, the police had no reason to get involved as they did.
Also, there was no reason for the police to serve the party goers
with any papers, because the house wasn't going to move and the
owners would have been there the next day, etc.
Again, not like two drunks in a brawl where the alleged assailant
could disappear as soon as the police leave.
Also, there was nothing to indicate that the guy complaining was
telling the truth and the police did not attempt to even
determine who, if anyone, was telling the truth.
They should have told the guy that they don't hear anything and that if
he's still upset that he should file the papers himself either at the court house
the next day or get his attorney to do it.
-Edward
Again, it is the citizen making the arrest. the cop does the paperwork to complete the case.
which shows that you are retracting your previous statement
that the "police officer is the agent". THank you for
admitting your mistake and agreeing with me!
Also, your argument about making a citizens arrest
was irrelevant anyway:
Here, there wasn't any attempt
to go thru the process of a citizens arrest in this case.
The police did not stop, look, and listen for themselves or act in
any reasonable way, but rather they just started
pepperspraying innocent people. If they
were "feeling threatened" by the people at a party
to which they were not invited, and since they didn't have
any indication of any crime (nor any papers from the
complaintant), they should have simply
left the party, rather than hang around while
knowingly acting to antagonize the guests.
so when they come to the door should we let them in to search? how 'bout our cars? is a strip search with no probable cause too much to ask?
i think the police deserve a polite response, but i don't think you should roll over for them, either. i'm kind of nostalgic for the constitution, i guess ...
Comply, comply, comply.
The police are not your friends nor are they your enemies. But if you get into a whizzing contest with them you will definitely lose. Just do as they ask and if it's unreasonable, file a complaint at a later time. There's no need for indignation and combative behavior toward the police.
At least nobody was shot.
"“It was a quiet home reception, disrupted by a vulgar person shouting obscenities from behind the bushes,” Busby said.
Neighbors on three sides of the house said yesterday there wasn't much noise from the party. One man said he slept through it.
“We didn't hear anything until the sheriff came, with eight patrol cars and a helicopter,” said Natasha Cortina, 43, who said she and her two children were home with the windows open."
Oh Boy! This is getting really interesting!
Looks like the homophobe in the bushes is going to be needing his lawyer and the Sheriffs department isn't going to come out of this smelling all that good, either.
Barney Fife will be lucky if he makes it to year 3 as a Sheriffs deputy.
Blame the media when things don't go the way you think they should.
tell your idiot bimbo friend, next time the cops ask for information, give them true and correct information.
the cops have every right to get information from people they contact during a call. it's required for their report of the situation.
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with SCOTUS rulings before oyu make any further inane statements.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p01s01-usju....
"In upholding his conviction and the mandatory identity-disclosure law, the majority justices also said the law only requires that a suspect disclose his or her name, rather than requiring production of a driver's license or other document."
Ironic this comes on the tail of Frank White being acquitted. Everytime we let cops abuse power and then forgive them, we will get mor eof the same from more of these drywall hangers with badges.
Blame the victim without a stitch of evidence, surfmutt. And walk all over the Constitution while you're at it.
As to your remark regarding walking all over the Constitution...help me understand what Constitutional articles were being trampled.
Isn't it easy to flame others without a stitch of reason or logic?
And you don't have a clue what is beneath me since you don't know me from Adam :)
You don't have to agree with history to acknowledge it.
We can play this all day.
And yes, I would actually like to know.
I don't base my rights on vague hand-waving about DHS (which is an executive branch agency and doesn't make laws).
Anyone else wanna take a swing at this one? With all the LE posting, it should be easy.
Well done, George Orwell couldn't have said it better.
Under those circumstances, they all should have been arrested and booked.
Just because you are a lesbian does not give you special rights. You had a noise complaint filed. You, just like everyone else are required to give law enforcement the information they asked for and then you get to challenge...in court, not your yard.
Pull you head out next time and nobody would have been arrested.
The good guys are going to win another one.
Don't like it? Tough.
Three cheers for the deputies.
Over the years, it has gotten commonplace for civilians to confront law enforcement officers when they should simply be answering questions. These confrontations often seem to lead to some sort of physical altercation in which the civilian ends up getting booked into jail, facing a host of charges, establishing or adding to their criminal record, etc.
This case is a classic. I look forward to Ms. Barman's prosecution.
Well, that might be the case on a normal day, but when you are breaking the law the officer responding to your home temporarily becomes the "master" of your home. This is a time where you must submit to authority until the issue at hand is under control.
Wake up people - We all have to submit to some authority at some point.
With that misinformed attitude, you'll end up being the "master" of whatever cell block you end up in. At least until it's time for you to go peel potatoes in the kitchen.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
When the police show up at your door, treat them respectfully, don't cuss at them, or walk away without giving them your basic information.
You conveniently left that out of your analogy.
And don't forget, the hostess, "Miss Manners", has a prior for assaulting the cops.
Lordy, just imagine the ruckus that could be caused by a house full of Martina Navratalovas!
Before that happens, the voters of the 50th district of California should get an "explanation" as to why she was promising illegal aliens that they didnt need "papers" to vote!
She's already proven that she is not worth to be involved in CA politics....what CA needs is to RID ITSELF of opportunists like Francine Busby...
..otherwise we can FORGET about balancing the budget!
To those few cowboys, I hope you're proud of yourselves for beating up on a couple of women. I'm sure they deserved it for disrespecting you and your authority. To the Sheriff, I hope you have the will and sense of justice to purge your ranks of these types of people. As a voter, I encourage you to not let them hide behind the blue shield. Being an officer is an important duty worthy of respect. This type of behavior delegitimizes the authority of the shield you wear.
And to the neighbor, you're a worthless spiteful coward who doesn't deserve a place in society. What gives you the right to instigate a crowd by hiding and casting judgement from the shadows? It is YOU who deserves the blame for this. At the very least, have the courage and conviction to stand up for what you believe in.
"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
-Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
I am not Jewish, and I happen to be a "straight" male. But it is sad that some would justify something that should never have happened, just because they don't like the demographics of the party goers, who I doubt were really having a rowdy party.
We must always try to be guided by the greatest Virtues and Wisdom, and we must also "fight the good fight" as needed.
when a post starts and ends by making a blanket assertion about how "the right wingers this" or "those Leftista-mafiosas" that you should just read the comment for sport because they start and end the same as displayed below:
Oh those nasty [insert political ideology I don't like] are all wrong! [insert ideology I like] is just so virtuous. the whole thing is hilarious because when you start looking closely at the politicians of any party they are mainly after one thing RE-ELECTION. that is it.
But I bet Ask A Mexican has a different perspective on violence carried out on unarmed people that are voicing their opinions. Go drive out to the Arizona or California deserts where there are Militia members having target practice with people coming across the border. This is a different topic for a different time - I am opposed to allowing illegal immigrants to enter any country, but allowing militia groups to march the borders and shoot at them is tantamount to vigilantism.
I am a strong advocate of standing up for what a person believes in, but in an established, mature, civilized democracy, that right stops when flesh (or other projectile) meets flesh.
In the case of the ladies this happened to, I would imagine that it would be very difficult for a person who was just persecuted in front of a group of guests by a coward with nothing better to do than incite a riot to keep a cool head when the police come by and ask them to keep it down at 9:30 at night. My initial response would have been something along the lines of - what about the bigot next door? What gives him the right to throw rocks and slink away like a snake in the grass?
Could talk about this all day... back to work.
http://tinyurl.com/mrzqvq
This needs to be investigated.
As a former federal officer, I too didn't like anyone standing behind me during an interrogation or interview. It's called Officer Safety, nothing wrong with that.
Well, I am assuming the Deputy was asking a question that would be on the ticket. I never received a "Noise Ticket" before, so I would think that DOB would be a line to fill out on that ticket. Either way, my point is that what's the big issue on giving that answer. To me, sounds like a legitimate question to ask. When giving a Traffic Citation, your Drivers License is given to the LE Officer to transfer information to the ticket, as well as run your DL Number against a Warrant Database. Guess what? DOB is ON your License. Also, like I said, give the info then fight it later if it wasn't within his legal rights to ask.
dave, you also sound like an attorney. So, if the Deputy was not in his right to ask such a menial question, this gives her the right to resist arrest? Back to you as my personal crickets are also chirping.
Excuse me, you assault her and when she resists and defends herself you arrest her for assault and resisting? If you weren't trying to arrest her then you had no business touching her.
Now stop hanging onto my leg before I pepper spray you!
But keep believing....it is good to have a hobby.
I do not believe it was a "raid" set up to break up the powerful Busby or gays in general.
He deserves jail for the false report as I see it, yelling political slurs prior to his false complaint is a big tip off. He was angry and screaming obscenities at his own neighbors only moments before he couldn't sleep? Right.
These partisan political kooks are going to far. They are putting their national politics club above their own community and neighborhoods and the hatred that they are picking up is becoming a threat to us all. As we just saw here.
Why didn't she place a call to the Sheriff's Dept, and let them know ahead of time what was going on? Why didn't somebody from Busby's campaign do the same? Sounds like a logical thing to do. When the noise complaint came in, and the call dispatched, the responding deputies would know exactly what was going on at the home. As a matter of fact, the dispatcher could have alerted the complaining party about what was going on, and a deputy never would have been needed at all.
Seems that a lack of leadership skills and planning on Busby's part. Not something CA needs more of.
The concept that You're referring to is one of Personal responsibility, and accountability. Don't you know that in today's newthink, when it comes to liberals, and people in general, Nobody is accountable for anything! And how dare the oppressive 'Pigs' interfere? Where's Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton? Where's the ACLU? Oh, the Humanity!!!
However, I'm certain this isn't the first such complaint that the deputy has ever responded to. And yet he could have taken care of this away from the gathering by calling the homeowner out to the front door and discussing it there. Instead, he felt the need to barge in and insert himself into the middle of the situation.
Now that was stupid!
she will be PERFECT!
Let the police and government know of every meeting
and what they will discuss politically???
Stupid Comment.
Deputies need better training
and to be paired with woman deputies
since studies have shown that women
duputies are much better at talking and
communicating and not escalating situations
into violent confrontations and unnecessary arrests
Seeing as how 3 of the 4 neighbors didn't hear much of anything tells you that the 4th neighbor has issues with Ms Barmon and Ms Stratton. From what I've read of this incident, the Sheriff was completely out of line. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of law enforcement treating everybody like a criminal, that goes from the airports to the roads to our freaking HOMES!!!! We still have rights in this country, being an officer of the peace does not give you the right to violate those RIGHTS that are listed in the Constitution, but I know, the terrorists might get us if we don't all just bend over and let the authorities do whatever they want to do. And don't think for an instant that I hate the cops, they have a tough job, but they need to exercise situational awareness, I mean, come on, a hoity toity party in a rich neighborhood with a bunch of 60ish citizens, please, you come in confrontational, you get a confrontation.
People are dying in the streets fighting for liberty all over the world, but here, in the center of democracy, we have to kiss the behnd of the cops just because they say so? Doesn't seem right to me.
And what rights were violated? The right to peace and tranquility in your own home? Review California Penal Code section 415. According to the complaining party that right of his was being violated. The deputy had a legal obligation to be there. He merely wanted to perform his duties and leave. Miss Barman impeded his responsibilities by refusing to answer a simple question. Again, it all boils down to personal choices and the consequences of those choices. She provides the information, the deputy gives her the warning, and they part ways. How is that kissing the behind of a cop?
Using the police to carry out personal political hatreds is just going too far, this needs to be punished, harshly.
These AM-radio addicted political kooks and their hatred is growing out of control. This incident is the sign of a man that is out of control with his irrational political anger and is an open threat to his neighbors.
A large group of women, like 50 of them, all talking at the same time.
It's certainly a noise complaint. I know it would drive me crazy.
People like you are not welcome on this website. This isn't a Klan website, it's for people of the San Diego community, i.e. people of all colors, all ethnicities, all sexual orientations, all religions, etc. If you don't like it, maybe you should consider moving someplace else, like Saudi Arabia (I think you'd like the way that kingdom treats women).
I would say it's reasonable to expect peace and quiet at 9: 30 PM.
I don't think 911 operators would hang up on complaints of a loud party.
In fact< I know the Encinitas Sheriff station is very good at keeping a lid on things.
What are you, an 80 year old granny? 9: 30 on a FRIDAY NIGHT??????
Try it out sometime.
This woman attacked a peace officer.
She must have been drunk or on meth. Probably all these people were
“He told me I was under arrest, grabbed my right arm, twisted it behind me and threw me on the ground,” she said."
sound like she tried to ask a question.
With someone who either demands contact, prior to or after the cops look into the party, or is willing to sign, the call, still low priority, is moved up a notch. Again, usually a verbal warning is given to the host and that is the end of it, unless there is a history at the home of non compliance. If the cops are called back a second time, and again, a complaining party is willing to sign, the cops now have an obligation to issue a citation. Cops in general hate these types of calls, and don't want the hassle of writing the reports that go along with them.
Grow up Demo-brats!
that they had no reason to deal with law enforcement in the first place
unlike you who were expecting them, because you were disturbing the peace
you took two deputies off the beat and cost taxpayer money
and you PLANNED to do it
how does this compare to someone who ISN'T making noise?
it does not
Throw a PARADE!
hope to see you there, so you will know what you're talking about when you mention parades
[there will probably be no togas, unless little ceasar's pizza has a float]
The difference is both you and I were actually making too much noise too late. That doesn't seem to the the case here.
I just love the fact that these people who have probably not had much contact with law enforcement in thier lives got a swift lesson in badge respect. Listen people, if an officer of the law asks you a question, you should answer them.
If you're referring to mmminuteman, then my only comment to you would be: what part of ILLEGAL don't you understand?
I'm talking about this whole idea that the police can do no wrong and that their power to stop, enter, detain and question has expanded considerably over the past few years.
It is a little thing for sure--just answer the question and you'll be left alone--but I see it as part of much bigger abdication of our rights in exchange for (the illusion of) security.
That to me is un-American; it seems like the same people who complain so loudly about "big government" have no problem with this constant expansion of police powers.
is that what the pro-police state fanatics are calling inappropriate police behavior these days?
These are the same dittoheads who subscribe to violence against anyone who's different from them, were part of the huge spike in gun purchases after the election and screamed bloody murder and "civil rights" infringement on the DHS report about the rising dangers of right wing extremism, even if the report was requested by the Bush Administration.
So, LunarPeak, I'd say it's not only sad...it's becoming dangerous.
Here we have chicken/egg syndrome don't we?
It IS what I pay taxes for.
If a couple dozen middle aged people at a fundraiser in someone's backyard at 9PM is "disturbing the peace" and requires multiple patrol cars, a HELIPCOPTER (!??) and pepper-spray then something is seriously wrong with the law enforcement in that area. Poorly trained? Bored? Hostile to people with views differing form their own? Probably all of these.
Methinks it is another case of right-wing nutjob losers finding a way to vent their rage at being completely irrelevant, out-of-date, backwards dinosaurs.
Losing is a b*tch, people. GET OVER IT.
GET OVER IT.
But as far this specific incident goes, I'm sure this is far from over.
Methinks some police will be "spending more time with their families" very soon.
But yeah, as far as the incident goes, it's going to end up in court because somebody got all butt-hurt. You know those political types have huge EGO's to fill....so stay tuned and get ready to dish out the coin as the taxpayers will get raked over the coals (again).
And for what? All they had to do was listen to law enforcement....is that so hard to do?
F*ing bullcrap man!
If you're a bigoted rightwinger who hates gays and/or liberals you will no doubt ignore the completely over-the-top assault on these people (for essentially NOTHING) because you don't LIKE them and you're actually happy they were harrassed and attacked. You will couch this in a bunch of nonsensical hooey defending the ridiculous actions of the police as if they were some front-line soldiers in a battle, rather than cowardly attacking unarmed middle aged lesbians with pepper-spray.... and throwing them to the ground.
As usual, rightwingers are devoid of the gene that allows any ability to put themselves in others situation. especially if they don't LIKE those other people.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK is your mindset.
Instead of questioning WHY none of the other neighbors complained (only the bigot screaming over the hedge) you flip it into some strange attack on the victim based on your strange idea of what you IMAGINE they are thinking, or what you IMAGINE their "ego" is like. As if they deserved to be assaulted and harrassed because YOU don't think they're humble enough when the stormtroopers are at the door.
That aside...I knew this had something to do with Obama.
(snicker)
I'm really cracking up over the fact that some of the same people that thought White was justified in shooting Silva don't believe the law should arrest some old lesbian who is disturbing the neighbors. If you're going to be pro or anti cop at least walk the same path all the time.
When citizens and juires begin holding these neanderthal steroid raging cops responsible for their actions on and off duty, perhaps these over-the-top incidents would become less likely.
In any case, answer the police questions and save the fight for another day. Old people can get real uppity!!! I would have loved to have seen the whole thing evolve. Grey hairs fighting with the police!!
Yee Ha!!
dont taze me bro! i hope that dougt guy gets it next.
i do feel the need not to dirty my karma by telling you if you cooperate with the police then the odds of finding a bad cop are lower than winning the lottery.
1. Officer presence
2. Verbal command (I will need your date of birth)
followed by refusal to comply
3. Contact control (taking hold of the subject)
followed by refusal to comply and the crowd impeding him in performing his duties
4. Aerosol irritant
simple warning in stead of a force continuum? Where does all of this idiosy
come from.
1. Officer presence
2. Verbal command (I will need your date of birth)
followed by refusal to comply
3. Contact control (taking hold of the subject to effect arrest)
followed by refusal to comply and the crowd surrounding the deputy and impeding him in performing his duties
4. Aerosol irritant
crowd dispersed...deputy uninjured
warning not wading in with demands at a private gathering in a private home.
The complaining call was from someone having trouble sleeping how can a
trained Officer not control a simple complaint? The homeowner also has a few
rights.
Careful, Green. With talk like that, you risk making DZ5059 an enemy for life.
that would of been needed unless or until the warning was not heeded. Then
he should have called for more Officers if his warning was ignored. Then he
wouldn't have been alone in the growd.
house didn't understand the officers need to have more information. It was a
noise complaint that required at most a warning and not the heavy handed
behavior of the officer. Police and the Sheriffs office are there to
"Protect and Serve". Tax payers should get what they pay for not Cowboys
with guns.
So tell me, who's going to make that judgement call. You or the Officer?
Remember now, you're dealing with a police officer. Someone who isn't exactly on your side in matters like this.
Is giving you DOB immoral or illegal?
That is what we are talking about.
Barney Fife felt he could proceed however he damn well pleased.
Your MP past shows VERY clearly.
This wasn't a protest at a military installation. It was an intrusion into a private residence. In case you haven't noticed, it's not quite the same thing.
you fail to comply to the initial WARNING! That was all the officer was ther
to do until he REACTED to the owner.
You can blather all you want but this clown needs training....a lot of it.
unless HE was threated. He gave no opportunity for the people to comply
before going beyond the warning.
Obviously, You were there? You seem to know all concerning this incident. Where in the article does it state that the party was attended solely by women? Just because the party was hosted by a Lesbian couple, You assume too much.
a noise complaint. Read the article your confusion will lessen.
But a MAN grabbed her leg, impeding the Deputy from doing his duty. That was the scenario on which I based my comment.
himself or the situation. Things escolated only the officer grabbed the
woman. All from a simple noise complaint?
If the cop had decided to blow off the call, you would put down your joint and hurriedly type..."Who is this guy to decide my complaint is not valid. He needs more/better training. The cops here are such jerks. They just aren't sensitive enough. He should be fired. They should be disarmed and made to wear non-threatening uniforms like the guys and gals at Best Buy."
"If the cop had decided to blow off the call, you would put down your joint and hurriedly type..."
Funny
I have walked a mile in the boots. I have had crowds turn hostile on me. I have had people try to hurt me for no better reason than the uniform I wear. I have had people try to hurt me because I interrupted their criminal actions.
I do criticize police officers who dishonor the badge. I have been very critical of the off duty Chicago cop who beat the hell out of the bar tender and only got probation. I have been very critical of the SDPD officer who gave sensitive info to cartel members. I have been very critical of CBP Officers and Border Patrol Agents who are caught smuggling drugs and illegal aliens. I have been very critical of The El Monte police officer who kicked the suspect in the head after a foot pursuit. I have been critical of the Inglewood PD officer who slammed the head of the handcuffed subject into the police car.
The difference is that you are critical of police at every turn. I apply the known facts to the duties, demands, and legal requirements the officer faces.
http://www.commentbuddy.com/comments/Ugly-Men/s...
"Why'd she lose your vote? What exactly would you expect her to do in such a situation? Some power-tripping cop is indiscriminately spraying people with his pepper spray. What is she supposed to do?"
I am willing to say you most likely spent time in jail.
This, is called personal accountability for one's actions. Something that sadly, is severely lacking in today's society.
Those people, may I add, seem to be very selfish, elitist, narrow-minded, spoiled, and childish, to name just a few. And it goes well beyond party lines.
You have a choice which type YOU want to be.
Tell me, Typ311Dave, in your extremely narrow view of people in this world, where do people like me fit in? By people like me, I mean people who are respectful to the police, UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. Let me give you an example: I'm walking down the street and I pass a cop. He greets me and I greet him back. But then this cop tells me to stop and begins frisking me and asking me all sorts of questions. If this were to happen, I would probably refuse to answer his questions and demand to speak with my attorney. Does that make me a "selfish, elitist, etc. etc." ??? Would I really be "selfish" for refusing to be pushed around by a cop?
You see, Typ311Dave, your theory is faulty because in order for it to be true, cops would have to be infallible all the time. And cops are not infallible. Cops make mistakes, don't they? Cops lie sometimes, they break the law sometimes, they overstep their legal boundaries sometimes. And when they do this, it is the responsibility of people like you and me to call them out on it and to refuse to be bullied. They work for us, remember?
Hey Dude, nobody's perfect, even cops aren't, but the good ones far outweigh the bad ones. My comment was pretty general in nature, but it seems it fit you to a tee. I could see how someone who fits that criteria would be offended by it.
Now it's a RAID. Next thing you know, it'll be a robbery and someone will say the cop yelled:
"Any of you FN pricks move, and I'll execute every MFing last one of ya!" - Pulp Fiction, 1994
I'm done here, I'll wait for the straight-to-video Busby movie.
And how come this article does not mention the officers came TWICE. ANd why delete the part about a bullhorn being used??? interesting, i wonder if someone got a call.
2) Did you take the time to READ the article? All of her neighbors (except the jerk who was yelling the obscenities) said the party was NOT loud. One said he slept right thru until the POLICE woke him up.
I am sure her neighbors were glad when the Sheriff got there. Oh, but it is different when a lib/dem does something...sorry, forgot...
Given the repercussions of his call, he really deserves jail if he is proven to have made a false complaint. Seems pretty obvious what happened. The gathering of people who he has been taught are his 'enemy' frustrated this man to the point of false action. I will be shocked if it turns out to be anything less.
This issue is about maintaining political freedom in the face of some rogue AM radio kooks who have been angered to the point that they place membership in their political radio club above that of their own community, which they are essentially taught to attack in passive-aggressive ways just like this.
The man cannot apparently even engage his own neighbors thanks to the division and fears being promoted by the political sideshows out there. Enough is enough, start standing up to these people, on ALL sides of the political aisle.
Could be something else behind this, but I highly doubt it given that he was yelling slurs at them and disturbing their event prior to reporting it.
Your neighbors and your community are more important than your national partisan politics. Put the cart back behind the horse.
. Had the host cooperated with LE, and the guests remained civil & did not interfere, there would have been no melee, & if the complaint was found false, the neighbor would be investigated.
Busby making jokes about the neighbor over the PA system and the resulting cheers from the crowd, certainly add credibility to the complaint. This reported by a person who claimed to be at the event, in a post they made in defense of the party.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Hoste...
From the article: Neighbors on three sides of the house said yesterday there wasn't much noise from the party. One man said he slept through it.
“We didn't hear anything until the sheriff came, with eight patrol cars and a helicopter,” said Natasha Cortina, 43, who said she and her two children were home with the windows open.
Look, I know you love the police and you think they're infallible and everything, but face it, they never should have been there. In fact, their very presence, evidently, made matters much worse.
I swear some of you conservative types will say and stand by the most outlandish things if politics is involved. The fact that this story deals with a group of democrats on one side, and cops on the other, makes it so easy for you.....you don't even have to think!
What gets me is...you really think it was a rogue deputy driving by that hates Busby and lesbians that put his career on the line so he could brake up a party.
As long as you are sure....at least in your mind
Busby said she couldn't intervene..."
It looks like when people need a stand up person to represent them, Busby will find a way not to get involved.
So, which part of my blog do you think was inaccurate? Everyone knows that the police/deputies are trained more for using restraint than force in a "reasonable" way. I have had parties where the sheriffs came by and very nicely asked us to tone down the sound, which we did. And this deputy goes off because the homeowner did not provide her birthdate?
Wow!
And what is up with getting personal. ..and making fun of my issues with reading comprehension?=-)
Also good job on the part of the Sheriffs for using restraint and not Tasering anyone.
The police no longer "protect and serve". They are accountable to no-one and their objective is simply to maintain order by whatever level of brutality they deem necessary at the moment.
We are trading our rights for law and order.
I think everyone knows what ol' Ben had to say about that.
defending the use of over 7 cops, a pepper spray attack and a HELICOPTER over head for a gathering of 60-something unarmed women?
talk about over-zealous Neanderthal police work
Even if one of these women cursed and walked away from the cop, how does that warrant this insane use of force?
I'm sure cops get cursed at all the time by thugs who are alit more dangerous than these women
this is overzealous police work by a dullard cop, and the bill should be sent straight to the person who made the call, or better yet taken off the salary of the idiot cop that wasted police resources like this on a Friday night
When I lived in North Park a neighbor of mine was robbed at gun-point, and other neighbors called the cops. it took them 20 minutes for two of them to arrive.
Yet an unarmed group of middle age women being "noisy" warrants over 7 cops and a HELICOPTER!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
overzealous maneuvering based on politics, that's all this is
a middle aged unarmed woman threw out the f-word at a cop, BIG DEAL, if this cop needs pepper spray, 7 reinforcement officers and a helicopter to handle that he shouldn't be on the damn force to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Hoste...
eyewitness - 6/27/2009
"I was there. This was a fundraiser. No music...quiet group...many people had nothing to drink or one drink over a 2 hour period. The candidate made a" .....................(snip)
............"The woman gave her name, but chose not to give her birthdate without any cause for this police inquiry in the middle of her own living room. She turned away from the officer. He grabbed her arm, she pulled away, about 15 guests came up to support her, holding onto her, the police officer pushed her to the floor to arrest her...the 15 guests tried to assist her on the floor, pulling her away from the officer in her own living room...one of them shoved the officer away from her. The officer pulled out pepper spray and sprayed at least 7 people directly in the face, from a distance of no more that 12 inches...they all fell to the floor in agony. Then he sprayed pepper spray all around the room. "
when you are liberal?
when you are gay?
when you are hosting a political event?
or just whenever they want?
Oh wait, sorry that's Nazi Germany, we are talking about present day American Conservatism
Yes, it's only OK if you are ga or liberal
If you are a bible study group in Chula Vista holding illegal gatherings without a permit, then that is OK
Did you read the story or are you on some sort of acid flashback?
cursing and not telling your birthdate is not a reason for le to go into your home
do you care about the ammendments to the constitution?
do you enjoy your 4th ammendment rights?
or do you even know you have them?
When some one drops the dime on you FOR ANY REASON, the 4th amendment is nothin' but paper.
Thank you for that insight!
thats why people like you get your *(&^$@ kicked by the police. this might help you understand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
This reminds me of Mississippi or Alabama in the 1950's and the Sheriff's Dept. is the Ku Klux Klan. Should we be grateful that lynchings are illegal?
"MadTom" posted the most vicious stuff I have seen here - complete with overt threats to kill police.
Hope everybody took the time to "report' him, so the UT becomes obligated to pass his commenst to the authorities.
As I already have written, the deputy could have stepped outside, waited for cover, asked for a supervisor, and the collective heads would have approached the situation more calmly, not with the reaction of that deputy.
Being too good and in the right will not keep you from the inconvenience of having to answer the identity questions during an investigation. The trial will not be held in your home unless you really want to be taken into custody to be shown the whole judicial system. Answer the questions and take care of the paperwork without taco sauce in the face. If the cop was rude and heavy handed you can get better results with a call to his watch commander after the investigation rather than provoking a use of force. From the Deputy's point of view it goes like "Ask them" "Tell them" "Make them". Help the guy get the job done instead of being "too good to answer". Then he doesn't have any reason to grab you.
you're applying street contact procedure
that's an apple and we're talking about an orange
when you're in your home, you don't gotta do squat for the police unless they have a warrant or reason to believe that a crime against a person is occurring.
noise does not constitute a crime against a person.
it's always good to know your rights.. this one is covered by the 4th ammendment.
What do you think "keep the peace" means? Actually, it's more of a duty than a right, as in, they have no option if the homeowner doesn't come to the door.
Basic law and order. Partisan politics and sexual orientation have nothing to do with it, much as you would apparently like to believe otherwise. If you don't believe me you can read up about it and learn something of what you're talking about.
WAY to far above the limits of the law to EVER bother actually SPEAKING with a foot cop
and her coterie of fellow travellers pulling her from the maws of the filthy COP
and surrounding the intruder, intent on purse slapping him into the next universe
GAWD what a sight that must have been
And THEN
flip to the drunk tank
and Barman, sitting in a corner, ends up finding true love
in the person of fellow inmate, Irene (no last name) street person
in the pokey after 2 bottles of Ripple led to yet another
naked outburst on Braodway and 5th
Haw har har hardy!
The deputy will always be wrong in the eyes of the far left...
Being too good and in the right will not keep you from the inconvenience of having to answer the identity questions during an investigation. The trial will not be held in your home unless you really want to be taken into custody to be shown the whole judicial system. Answer the questions and take care of the paperwork without taco sauce in the face. If the cop was rude and heavy handed you can get better results with a call to his watch commander after the investigation rather than provoking a use of force. From the Deputy's point of view it goes like "Ask them" "Tell them" "Make them". Help the guy get the job done instead of being "too good to answer". Then he doesn't have any reason to grab you.
when you are in your home, if the po po don't have a warrant or reasonable belief that a crime against a person is occurring now
YOU DON'T gotta answer the door or a question.
had that POPO walked into a redneck convention, he mighta gotten shot
and the homeowner might have been within their rights to do so...
Your limited understanding of the law is humorous.
The Sheriff Deputy was there because a complaint had been reported...get it?
you believe that deputy had a right to be where he was when he grabbed that homeowner?
in her house?
without warrant or any cause?
do you work for LMPD,? cuz every other agency in the county has policy re 415 noise.
and it doesn't include the ability to roll over the 4th ammendment rights of citizens.
or are you just a pilot?
Do you still want to hang your hat on the 4th Amendment right?
Attacking me, lame guesses at who or what I am highlights the desperation in your argument.
Surprise me...engage me on an intellectual level...unless that scares you.
Deputy Marshall Abbott- Keep in mind that you are a public servant, meaning that you should treat citizens in a courteous manner, even if they're idiots, and even if they're "breaking the law" they are your customers and ultimately your bosses.
Shari Barman- thanks for making me laugh. I'm sure that pepper spray and the ensuing embarrasment you should be feeling should hopefully persuade you to seek other means of communicating with "authorities" in the future.
Instead of complying and saying "I am sorry officer, we will try to keep it down" this dummy had to go and get pepper sprayed while her friend went Jeff Van Gundy on her leg. Now we get a scandal that is much ado about nothing, and Ms. Busby get a little free pub in her losing cause.
And what makes you think I'm a "liberal"?
How many "liberals" do you know that have
a gun for home protection?
I think that if it was a NRA fundraiser the cops
would have been a bit more respectful, no?
-Regards,
Edward
-Edward
Well, why would you tell a group of non English speaking people who commonly refer to having papers as being legal that "YOU DON'T NEED PAPERS TO VOTE"? Watch her on you tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9vbngizSI
Knowing that skirting the law might be ok with you, I have to question this incident since protecting our voting rights and the law doesn't seem to be important to you.
but any microscopic chances Busby had of being
taken seriously as a political candidate
are now
H I S T O R Y
Very unprofessional, to say the least.
If you're a bigoted rightwinger who hates gays and/or liberals you will no doubt ignore the completely over-the-top assault on these people (for essentially NOTHING) because you don't LIKE them and you're actually happy they were harassed and attacked. You will couch this in a bunch of nonsensical hooey defending the ridiculous actions of the police as if they were some front-line soldiers in a battle, rather than cowardly attacking unarmed middle aged lesbians with pepper-spray.... and throwing them to the ground.
As usual, rightwingers are devoid of the gene that allows any ability to put themselves in others situation. especially if they don't LIKE those other people.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK is the mindset.
Instead of questioning WHY none of the other neighbors complained (only the bigot screaming over the hedge) you flip it into some strange attack on the victim based on your strange idea of what you IMAGINE they are thinking, or what you IMAGINE their "ego" is like. As if they deserved to be assaulted and harassed because YOU don't think they're humble enough when the stormtroopers are at the door.
Fanatic goes both ways.
You're funny.
Do you "notify" the police if you have a gathering of a couple dozen at your house?
My extended family would be "notifying" the police constantly.
"Hello, I'm having a group of 30 middle-aged and senior citiznes over to my house for a fundraiser for Democratic congressional candidate Francine Busby. Just figured I'd let you know in case the group gets rowdy and you need to come by to quell the disturbance."
So anyone having a baby shower, wedding shower, Tupperware party, Amway sales pitch...you know, the types of gatherings where police are generally called to pepper spray, taser, and generally subdue the hostess and her guests, please call the sheriff's department first. It's not like they're busy with other more important matters to take your call and write down all pertinent information.
Also, if the neighbor was that wacko, why didn't they call the cops first? Finally, why couldn't we have this one on tape? I would love a good laugh right about now.
That's just the way it is...
"These 'deputies' should be arrested, lose their jobs and sent to jail for police brutality."
DZ5059's wet dream.
What's that have to do with this case?
Wow.
Wow.
You guys can go find my previous posts if you want. Most call me "conservative" on this site, although I disagree with that moniker. I strive to be neither "conservative" nor "liberal" but rather to view things on their own merit rather than on any particular ideology... anyhow...
We Americans need to start standing up for our rights!! If this article is to be believed then this cop stepped WAY over the line. This has nothing to with gay or not, it has nothing to do with cop bashing or not, it has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat. Some police officers have it in their mind that they make the laws and that people must comply with their orders at all times. It simply isn't so. If no law is being broken then the cop has no cause to be behaving in such a way.
I hope this officer loses his job and that the Sheriff's Department straightens their officers up.
If you are detained by an officer of the law and refuse to give the basic information that they request, they are within protocol to take you into custody to obtain the information.
- Groucho Marx
The motives are fairly obvious considering that NONE of the other neighbors complained.
Those people, may I add, seem to be very selfish, elitist, narrow-minded, spoiled, and childish, to name just a few. And it goes well beyond party lines, sex, or age-groups.
Now you could be totally cool and comply with the law enforcement, or you could be a dick, or in this case a bitch/butch/dyke (whatever floats your boat), but in the end you will get what's coming to you. You have a choice which type YOU want to be.
And it's pretty ugly.
bitch/butch/dyke? Proposition 8 only restricted the constitutional right to marriages buddy, it didn't pull the other amendments out of the picture. Or maybe you skipped a day of class when they talked about the US Constitution?
have you ever had your civil rights violated by LE???
do you enjoy your civil rights?
The answer to the next two questions is yes and I am a conservative white male.
From what I have read, yes. The officer had a complaintant (the caller)..and a crime(noise..disturbing the peace)...and so getting the information is apprpriate. The person refused a lawful order. Now, could he have called for backup and see if they complied in the meantime? possibly..or she could have just given him the required information. Either way, he looks like he was legally ok.
Not only are you a bunch of band wagon sport fans you are also a bunch of cry baby republicans.
This woman was doing nothing wrong. That loser behind her yelling comments about gays etc... was the only one committing a crime called disturbing the peace.
They should have called the police on him. I am sure in retrospect if they had done that this story would have a different ending.
It's a sad state of the affairs in this city.
Bunch of losers no matter how you shake it. No wonder your government is corrupt you are so busy fighting over stupid crap like this that you don't even notice the republicans raping you who are dressed in suits.
Move to France or possibly Iran.
"This woman was doing nothing wrong."
If you were at the party please enlighten us as to what really happened.
The buttoned-down neighbors corroborated this.
It's possible there's some glaring detail we haven't heard that puts the deputy in a good light, but it seems he lost his temper.
It has the sour scent of a "comtempt of cop" episode.
And I agree. There are a lot of losers in this town. Look at all the guest in that house. Good example.
That this level of freak lives amoungst us is scary
Great leadership Busby!
Busby's brief statement did not address the hostess' attitude or lack of cooperation, just confusion about what led to extreme police tactics & her intent to meet with SDSO for an explanation. Then she talked about "the man in the bushes" who was shouting obscenities during her speech. Although she couldn't make out what he was saying, he was a political plant who made a false noise complaint. She avoided the "gay" reference (until Dan Plante put it on the table & she nodded in agreement), & did not mention the reluctance to provide DOB, resisting arrest or assaults on deputies.
She accepted no responsibility on behalf of the hostess' & guests' reprehensible behavior & implied wrongdoing by SDSO.
Bilbrey was interviewed later (not specifically about this). When asked for his take on the situation, it was a simple reflection of what his daddy taught him, "If you are stopped or questioned by police, cooperate & answer the questions. Never play games with the police."
Looks like the fundraiser was on Bilbrey's behalf.
And, the neighbor is ecstatic.
That's because the neighbor is listening to Rush and pleasuring himself as we speak.
Perhaps You could post a link to the various Police academies? Obviously, SO MANY of the anti-cop 'individuals' posting on this thread are so much better qualified for Law Enforcement than You are, perhaps they'd like to put their actions where their mouths are.
I hosted a 40th birthday party for my sister a few years ago. Karakoke machine and all on a third of an acre and it was LOUD..! The neighbors were not to happy behind us..Sheriffs Jurisdiction also. The SO came twice never asked for my DOB. I'm thinking by what I'm read in this UT article that Deputy Abbott lost is cool and may have some days on the beach coming to him. Just my Opinion.
FYI.... The city of Encinitas returned my call. They have NO Noise Code Ordiance on the books only for the exception of contruction. They refer all other to the county. hmmm convenient way to pass the buck.
Perhaps You should sign up for the Police academy. Obviously, YOU are far better qualified for Law-Enforcement, than the 'fat, overweight, power hungry, over reacting jerks', that You have so much disdain for.
Be part of the problem, or be part of the solution!!!
I'm wondering what the law says regarding whether the resident had to give up her DOB.
Or here in more depth after 29.00 min.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA&feat... and kept her trap shut.
Cops love to make a scene a fancy shindigs. They da man if you let them. Never, never invite the police into your home/property and never consent, never. Know your rights.
It's responses like yours that make law abiding and inquisitive citizens abhor cops like you.
I know, I know...that's right where you want 'em. Too bad you'll never get to put your cuffs on me. To smart for bozo's like you.
Now pick up yer droppings and git!
"Wounds? If there any any wounds it's to the public trust. Not me."
A guy with zero integrity tries to speak knowingly of "public trust." LOL.
Here's a clue, dirtbag. About the only people who hate the police as much as you do are guys with records.
You were sucking your thumb 24/7 over what happened to your precious tweeker in the White case, then when the right verdict came, you disappeared pronto. That's a fact. Now maybe you went crawling off to some other blog where you got kicked around like you did on the board regarding White, but you were gone right after the verdict came down. So you're not only a dirtbag, but a coward.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
His only friends are maggots. LOL.
"Pick up your droppings and leave."
Why would she? In your house, it would fit right in.
The only Republican on my block is out most weekend nights having an affair with his mistress, and I have two large dogs that would be more than happy to patrol the bushes for any homophobic loons hiding in them yelling out curse words :)
"Francine you are more than welcome to use my house as well
The only Republican on my block is out most weekend nights having an affair with his mistress...."
One wacko invites another to her home, then whines about a guy seeing a woman. LOL. Classic.
Please stand and join me for our Glorious Moment of Marxism......
"Women should be obscene and not heard."
- Groucho Marx
What if the deputy had had his gun stolen during the melee, because he didn't want to "escalate things" and someone was shot or worse yet killed? Then you'd all be up in smoke over how the deputy clearly should have "established control" over the party attendants from the get go and that now someone was hurt or killed as a result.
I honestly don't know how these hard working men and women in law enforcement do it. The very people they protect couldn't hate them more it seems.
And this is of course a TOTAL abuse of power on Busby's part...
You become suspect number one.
"Ever ask a group of cops that are patroling the parking lot at the Stadium, where tail-gating partying is going on - a question?
"You become suspect number one."
You're so cute when you're feeling sorry for yourself.
Here's a tip. Take the chip off your shoulder, dab your eyes, stop sucking your thumb, and be a man instead of a dirtbag. And the next time you interact with a law enforcement officer, speak to him or her in a nonconfrontational way, and you'll be treated the same.
Glad I could explain the facts of life to you.
***And the next time you interact with a law enforcement officer, speak to him or her in a nonconfrontational way, and you'll be treated the same.***
Regrettably, you do not thave the slightest idea of what's going on around you.
It's that skull of gray mush that simply assumes it was confrontational. What a load you're shoveling. You should smell it. Oh, I forgot you're busy scoopping up after surfslut. My bad.
"Regrettably, you do not thave the slightest idea of what's going on around you."
Still haven't gotten over the beating I gave you in the Officer White blog, eh? LOL.
And dude, for the umpteenth time, get a decent barber. You look like a nut. Seriously.
You make it sound as if this cop was surrounded by thirty gang members or career criminals. These people were middle aged politicos. This was a political event, it wasn't some gang banger party. Stop trying to make it sound as if this cop was fearful for his life, because he wasn't.
They were protecting no one...NO ONE...at the party. They were looking for LAW BREAKERS at a fund raiser. But wait, these are well monied middle agers. Not to worry. They [cops] ask a few choice questions and WHAM!!! Law breakers left and right. It's all quite easy.
They get the call and it's Pavlov's dog response? Cops may not have it when they first join, but after they're in the sh!t for a while they all get the 1000 yard stare. One day, Sandman1 hopes to get it.
On second thought, you are absolutely right!!! Never ask a woman her age!!!
It's standard operating procedure for cops. Ask questions to lure the sucker in even though there's nothing really wrong going on - to create a situation/atmosphere that you [the cop] are in control of. Exude confidence and take control. Being a cop 101.
Thank goodness you ain't no cop.
I'm glad I'm not a cop today. The 30 years I put in was enough, especially with the attitude of people like you. The golden rule must have never been taught to you.
Question: Francine Busby says she will demand an explanation from the Sheriff's Department about deputies breaking up a fundraising party held for her in Cardiff and arresting the host.
Answer: It ended with Barman, 60, being arrested and jailed on suspicion of battery on a peace officer, and resisting, delaying and obstructing a peace officer.
Pam Morgan, 62, a Rancho Santa Fe resident and one of the guests, also was arrested and taken to the Encinitas Sheriff's Station, where she was cited for resisting, delaying and obstructing a peace officer.
...there you go...
A peace officer, in lawful performance of his duty, was attacked by a loud-mouthed mob.
The rest is history.
Let's keep ratcheting up this police state mentality.
Gay mafia 0, cops 1.
415n is an oddball because a cop doesn't have a right to "peaceful enjoyment"
when you have a RP that requests deputy contact and is willing to sign, the deputy MUST make contact with the RP and also make attempt to notify the offender.
if it was a barking dog, what would the deputy have done???
point is, do you think it's ok for a deputy to walk into a home uninvited, without a crime in progress or a warrant?
the question is not if there was noise, the question is if there was noise beyond a group of people talking in one's own home/yard
you really do have a police-state mentality, don't you?
you think gatherings can be broken up for no reason, that unarmed 60-something women should be pepper-sprayed while a helicopter hovers overhead?
how about this, why don't YOU pay for the helicopter and the backup of 7 cops since you think this group of middle-aged women posed such a threat to the community?
Since it seems appropriate:
Past noise laws had to do with specific times and specific noise levels, which were appropriate. Now if so much as a baby cries or a phone rings and someone off your property hears it that is illegal and you are subject to complaint and citation. That is wrong, I totally agree.
Now in this case there was a loud, amplified, continuous noise source which, at the time of evening, might have exceeded a reasonable noise level and therefore was probably a valid reason for complaint. It was apparently NOT, as you lie and state, "a group of people talking in one's own home/yard", apparently there was some amplification involved if you bother to read the story.
And you are lying in your post, which doesn't surprise me because if you're who I think you are you always have. Go back and read the story and stick to "the facts". Making things up only makes you look ignorant, foolish.
As always you seem to claim to know what I think... which is nothing like what I said BUT IS WHAT YOU SAID, so who thinks it again?
Except the neighbors all contradict your lame assumption.
I wouldn't let Busby pick up dog crap in my yard much less vote her into congress. Busby in congress, now that's a crime.
1) Busby responded to the neighbor by making a joke about them over the microphone, which received a response from the crowd which was the loudest the crowd had been all night.
2)The host refused to provide her birthdate, disregarded the officer & turned to walk away while being questioned, which prompted the officer to grab her arm. Approx 15 guests immediately surrounded the officer & prevented him from doing his job, threatening the officer's safety while trying to free the host.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Hoste...
scary
for a noise complaint of middle aged people???????? Seriously?
since this is about a political figure, however, we see the partisan hack propagandists swarm in and defend the incompetent overzealous cop
did you even read your own post? you are arguing that Democrats should be treated a certain way under the law because you feel they are more prone to acting a certain way
that makes you loony as a KOO-KOO bird, seriously mental
you are right up there with Michele Bachmann
You seem to have mental and reading comprehension problems. Until you resolve them, and find a better way of debating that does not include personal attacks, don't waste your time responding to my posts. It only shows how vapid you are.
boy was i wrong
Seriously though, please spare us the manufactured outrage Francine... where was this all in the initial story? Had to go check with your PR people first and get your ducks in a row? You couldn't get close to winning your first campaign, despite the Republican incumbent being arrested in disgrace and the Democratic NATIONAL committee pouring money into your campaign. You will lose by a far larger margin this time, no matter how many ragers you throw.
Plain and simple, if you and your friends would comply with police orders, (like the rest of us who don't think we are above the law) you do not have to worry about getting pepper sprayed.
Got any reference for that? From what I recall the DNC gave Busby very little support, financial or otherwise in '06.
That's just how I remember it; the National Party turned in a big FAIL..
$100k from the DCCC -- chump change (for a congressional campaign)
Dean at a fundraiser in Brentwood -- way to connect to your base in San Diego, not.
And a Mark Warner at a fundraiser in La Jolla? Who? Where?
I'll come right out and say it: As a Democrat, I'm really embarassed by how badly the party leadership screwed that up. I think they believed that post-Cunningham, it was a done deal for a Dem--any Dem--to take that seat.
Busby said she doesn't think the incident will have any political fallout, and she pledged to continue campaigning at house parties. “I will do everything I can to make sure it doesn't happen again,” she said.
Busby added that she would “probably communicate personally” with the Sheriff's Department, but she did not elaborate. “If I have any comments to make, I will make them directly” to sheriff's officials, she said.
Every sheriff deputy i've met is a redneck yahoo with an anger management problem, overcompensating for a small package. I hope the people at that party sue the heck out of the county.
Shame on these fools - Oh, I guess it is SDPD who promises to "protect and serve." The Sherrif seems to modify this to read, " to harrass and attack."
Anyway, this just reminds me of why I don't live in San Diego or Orange County. At least in Los Angeles the police can differentiate between "real" crime and what was going on during that party. We might have our own police problems up here, but you don't hear about this stuff in LA. Plus, if you ever did, there'd be a pretty good investigation and those cops would likely be fired or assigned to a desk job.
Finally, SD0987, change your photo to Pat Robertson, because that was one of the most disgusting comments I've ever read on any newspaper site and has nothing to do with the spirit of Obama.
they obviously deserved to be pepper-sprayed. I think they should've used TWO helicopters,
and burned the house to the ground. These militant lesbians must be stopped NOW, before they force everyone to adopt their gay agenda!
The new article about the what the witness' are going to sayI think does it in for me. And I can see that the deputy is gonna get crucified by the power ( albiet not by a powerful person) of politics and apparently the Busby camp has the ear of the U-T and possibly more media as this whole debacle turns and burns.
I admit I am on the side of the property owner, and only the property owner. I'm not a cop hater as some believe, but I do conceed having encounters with police that didn't uh...turn out so favorable for me. But I also admit I was doing wrong, and I knew if I was to be caught, what the conscequences were. What I was doing... we considered it a game of cat and mouse, and the only way the mouse wins, is if the cat doesn't see him.(short version).
My only dog in this fight is the question of whether the deputy entered the house lawfully. The reason why I say this now is because I saw a picture of the deputy off someones cell phone on TV and he didn't look mad, he didn't look evil...he looked worried, perhaps concerned is a better word. At what? Well, not even gonna go there...
On the other hand, what about the escalation. All she had to do, was answer the question. I've done so in a respectful manner many, many, many times, and walked away with a pocketful many, many times- notice I only used "many" twice on that last one.( Sorry ain't gonna tell ya copper's nothin' ;>) I gotta smile when I say that so they all know I'm still friendly.
So... as this poor kid is crucified by politics...and the gay community is hauled out into the streets and beaten by authoritarian rule...
I've decided to TAKE COVER!!
and so I say... Au revoir et salut.
If this continues to critical mass media & political conflagration, you may see the deputy checking parking meters when not picking up poodle poop in Del Mar. You can see Bilbray has already done a wind check since Monday morning on KUSI, a reversal, and now his office is offering no comment. He's probably reading this blog to get a wind direction/speed, and next week he'll sit down with his strategic consultant, to adopt a for-public-consumption platform/position/opinion.
When trying to discern what is right and wrong, it is too easy to get caught up in the matrix of opinion and complexity. I urge folks to use a fairly simple binary method of analysis (logic?) that uses principles of clear right from wrong. Again, the deputy had not responded to a serious crime where it was vital to obtain an identity on someone who might have been issued a citation. Deputy walks in with a 5'2" PERT member, to a PRIVATE social function, that he was not invited to walk into. Why did he not ask the homeowner or host, to come on outside and "let's chat." Again, he was not interviewing a rapist, for a potential crime. So he put himself into a crowd, without his cover unit partner, and becomes afraid because he decides a woman he asked for a DOB from, walks away from him (Is that really that threatening to a cop's ego?) . The cop should have just got out of the "mob" of 50+ year old women who had been enjoying and entertaining a meeting, perhaps while sipping alcohol or water for all I know. So instead of getting outside and waiting for his backup, and asking for a supervisor for a plan of action (attack???), he loses his cool, and is threatened (via stress) by a group of women not attacking him, but daring to challenge why he just threw their 60 year old female friend to the ground. So, he starts pepper spraying any woman who dared to verbally challenge him. Actually, he is lucky they were not younger and drunker, because he would have been attacked and I doubt he could have Taser'd 15 women at once (it would have been interesting to see him try). Did you see the YouTube video yet of that cop who Taser'd himself by accident? That was so damn funny!!!! RENO 911 is REAL!
So I say the deputy in Chaos by the Sea, made all kinds of bad decisions that night. Did anyone bother to screen him for drugs or alcohol considering his fogged judgment? Hell no, cops never get tested like the rest of us.
Your secret is safe.
You have not.
Come on, fella - get a new slogan
Methinks you doth protest too much sweetie.
Senator Larry Craig (R)
Rev. Ted Haggard
congressman Mark Foley (R)
congressman David Dreier (R)
vehemently anti-gay right wingers who all turned out to be major closet cases in denial.
Busby of all people should have taken better control of the guests. This is a woman that wants to be a US Representative? She's a joke! And now she's demanding ... demanding to know what happened. Is that what you expect from a wannabe public official?
Face it, you rightwingers just STINK like the dead, stinking vermin that you are.
Oh, and go tell your cop buddies that they stink, too.
Even RATIONAL thugs understand you've gone too far when you disrupt a political gathering.
Even a rational THUG understands that what goes around comes around.
We'll teargas your next tea party, Republithugs.
I'm not even mad. I'm just telling you thugs that we will get even.
By ANY means necessary.
Is there any indication this cop was informed that this was a political fundraiser prior to this altercation?
Most cops don't ask what a gathering is for because most cops don't care.
To repeat,
Is there any indication the cop was informed that this was a political fundraiser at any time prior to the altercation?
But other than the serious risk of messing with people who make even more than SD Sheriff's deputies and press connections to match, I doubt he knew much.
Ms. "YOU DON"T NEED PAPERS TO VOTE" Busby!!
Watch her on you tube tell a group of illegal aliens that "they don't need papers to vote"!
So much for the LAW !! I would have to question her statements here since she so openly encouraged people to violate our sacred voting rights! Mob rule isn't right!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f9vbngizSI
Didn't you see the giant headlines with searchable database to the left of this little story on the front page?
None so blind as those who will not see, sheesh.
What a lot of people don't seem to recognize is that by the time the cop got to the door he already had a complainant who was ready to sign, as in, make a ciotizen's arrest. The cop technically could have taken the hostess into custody and booked her into the county jail because PC 415 (disturbing the peace) is a misdemeanor, not, as one genius said earlier, an infraction.
Once the cop made contact with the hostess she was not technically under arrest but she also wasn't free to leave either. Not even in her own house. The police have the authority to detain a person if they have reason to suspect that individual of an offense.
The obtaining personal info then leaving with a warning thing is a courtesy that is technically discretionary on their part. By not cooperating, the hostess was basically removing all reason for that cop to give her the benefit of that discretion. He couldn't very well let her leave because there was a complaint, there was a complainant who was ready to make the citizen's arrest, and the cop didn't have the requisite info to follow through if they didn't tone the party down. So her leaving was an obstruction, the same as if she was a street contact wherein the cop suspected drug activity and she tried to bolt from that. Which, BTW, was the offense that led to her getting booked down at the Jail in lieu of the cite/release that would normally otherwise have occurred.
AS IF
it applied to the Gay Gestapo crowd !
What lunacy!
rented. They told us to turn it down. We said we would and they left. Most folks with common sense figure that you don't want them to come back. Arresting folks because someone made a noise complaint is going a little far. Most of the folks at these political things are older folks. The younger ffolks are so generally so apathetic they don't spend any time at political functions. I bet the average age was over 55. Comparing these folks to drug dealers I think is going a little far, Of course I was not there so I cannot know what really happened. Maybe an investigation can sort it all out.
Let's give the system a chance to work. Let the Deputies actions be judged by an independent body.
Let's not disrespect the process before it's had a chance. If we disagree with the process, let's use this energy to better the process in the future.
"The Establishment" is SOOOOO the ENEMY!
is to hold the government
and law enforcement accountable
at every step
OR you wake up
and you have a Hugo Chavez
of Ayatollah situation in your country
I believe that qualifies as "independent".
the over 50 set is still adjusting to the world wide web.
THINKING ???????????
All hippies leave Cardiff, the Sheriff is after you.
Please take Maxine Buzz-brain with you
Question - If you ask any blue-hair her age, what do you think the response will be?
None of your business, young man. Or 39 (just kidding)... or "I was born when FDR was president" - you do the math.
or even better - "I'm thinking of a number between 30 and 90..."
It should be illegal to say "we are catering to the black vote" or jewish vote, or gay vote, or hispanic vote, or asian vote, etc. etc. etc. (enter King of Siam). THAT is separatism, racist, and in fact a hate crime in itself. Categorizing creates stereotyping, which is rampant on this thread.
I can stereotype us all into one more group of dumbasses, who can't get along with each other. I think if the good Dr MLK could see mainstream media today, he would puke.
this isn't a REAL cross section of san diego
it's just a bunch of ignorant folk that can't get a human with a pulse to listen to what they have to spew so they let their diarrhea out here...
take it all with a hate filled grain of salt
Wow we almost believe the same thing. I only wish you could start living in the real world, not that ideological bubble you call home. Religious fanatics have always been disgusting to intellectual society, and I doubt their infantile rantings will ever change that.
It is time for A Glorious Moment of Marxism!
"Women should be obscene and not heard."
- Groucho Marx
Thank you, Comrades. Now, get back to work!
It would fill in a lot of blanks.
Don't worry. The person will be identified and will be investigated. Hate crime charges may be filed momentarily.
- Groucho Marx
- Groucho Marx
A trillion to banks and they still don't loan....a trillion to a stimulus package and unemployment keeps climbing...now let's give 4 TRILLION to health care and need I write that chapter.....
and the Militias?
Deputies do not have rights to pepper spray or tazor middle aged
people at an innocent political fundraiser in a private home.
Wasn't there a sleeping teen pepper sprayed by law enforement
at a party who died as a result of that action recently?
If the shoe was on the other foot, and it happened to some
of these posters defending the Deputies unprofessional actions,
they would be mad as heck and filing lawsuits.
The Deputy was unprofessional and had only 2 years experience.
He was, obviously, very poorly trained and could
not handle a simple courtesy call in a private neighborhood
relating to noise.
If Deputy could not handle the call,
then he should have requested backup.
The facts indicate no reason to escalate
"a verbal warning" situation into a formal
citation and then physically subduing 2 people
and arresting them and pepper spraying the entire party.
What does it take to get discipline of excessive
police force in San Diego County
(Police Action like this at a Mayor Sanders fundraiser
or a Bonnie Dumanis fundraiser??!!)
who say the Deputies used excessive force
and tactics
including a prominent N. County Official
who has held elective office and run for Congress.
The Ayatollah and Abminijad(sp?)
would love some of these posters.
The government is always right
no matter what the circumstances.
TOO MANY SHEEP ON THIS BOARD
that happened.
Perhaps, your bias towards one side is showing
to believe the Deputies abused
their authority and should be
suspended and/or terminated
#2...the jury decided...get over it.
1. Follow the rules
2. Keep your hands to yourself
3. Follow directions
4. Show respect to those in authority (i.e teachers, firemen, policemen, etc.)
Respect works both ways.
Glad you fixed your info.
On a lighter note, what happens when a cop talks to a teacher? Who has precedence?
On a traffic stop...the cop.
At a school play...the teacher (unless a public safety concern is developing...hopefully unlikely.)
Asking for a DOB to fill out a warning is hardly disrespectful.
It all has to do with delivery, as in so many other things. Some people call this respect.
Further, please tell me which statute required Barman to furnish her date of birth to the deputy. None of the other LE around here seemed able to respond to this question, am I'm genuinely curious.
Read the story and tell me what you think.
But before you answer, I inadvertently gave you a situational Rorshach test with the teacher vs. cop question. I was actually making a funny (laugh, son, it's a joke, son! Haw haw!--Foghorn Leghorn), and you automatically invoked some kind of Doomsday scenario at the school play.
Sorry, that's just weird. But we've already covered that.
Now, about the legal obligation for Barman ... Bueller? Bueller?
There goes her chances of winning!
Hmmm
Regardless, YES, I do think the cop is wrong from the information I've been able to gather. According to the UT: cop asked for her name, she refuse and tried to walk away, cop grabbed her, threwher to ground, and violently handcuffed her. At no point does it say he told her she was under arrest and gave her an opportunity to comply, thus the argument of "resisting arrest" is completely bogus. Also, with a elderly nonvilent woman who was walking (not running), it is an OBVIOUS use of excessive force to effect an arrest is such a violent manor without provocation. The cop had lots of options, from explaining to her that not supplying the information was basis for detainment or arrest, telling her she was being detained and not free to go, yelling at her to stop to emphasize the seriousness of the situation, etc. But no, he decided to imediately treat her as a violent felony suspect and injure her. Assuming the UT article is factual, this cop has no place in any police force.
No you can't buy this kind of exposure,
She was exposed to the gay community when she avoided the "G" word.
She was exposed to her political advocates when she ran away from an emotionally charged melee (& the pepper spray) instead of diffusing the violence.
Avoid, evade, walk away - just what we like to see in a politician.
1. The neighbor, who may have committed a false police report.
2. The neighbor needs to be very concerned at this point, because by the time the lawyers are done with him or her, he or she will be accused of a hate crime. In the East, cursing can actually be a crime that will land you in Jail, but I doubt that is the case here, as shown in the famous Cohen vs. California case of 1973, involving the f word.
3. The Police definitely need to be investigated. This incident sounds very strange. "“We don't like people standing behind us – we have Tasers, guns, clubs,” he said." Besides the improper use of English in the quote, the issue is how does this person expect to always have people standing in front of the Police? Are people suppose to know this? Isn't this the cops responsibility?
So when ever I see a cop and I am standing behind him at the Donut shop getting my Apple fritter, I may spontaneously get pepper sprayed? This is just blithering and highly disjointed nonsense.
Part of the occasional "total jerk" attitude that people see in cops often comes when they come into a difficult situation and attempt to gain control over the situation. The cops here never gained control and lost what little control they had.
Eight patrol cars and a helicopter? Come on. Sounds like they really f'd this up, but it needs to be investigated.
4. The host and some guests need to be investigated. When the cops show up, you do what they say. Women ... the cop doesn't care how old you are, they need the info. Now the whole town knows how old you are. And they don't care, either.
Yes, some cops have a Napoleon complex and I have seen the goofiest behavior from SD cops of all the cops I ever came across in Palo Alto, Northern California, and other parts of the country, but you do what they say. You comply. If something is amiss, you follow channels. You do not get in their face in the middle of an investigation. I have never had problems with cops because I don't get into trouble. But I have seen it happen with others from a distance. It isn't good.
Just follow their directions ... if things go terribly awry and you think a crime was committed, you call one of your buddies from your dorm days in undergrad that has gone dark side and become a lawyer ....
Stupid Comment.
I second that.
Your some kind of highly unintelligent f'tard, aren't you?
So tell me in a LIBERAL SPIN WORLD, if someone is being arrested, good bad or indifferent, how is this mature responsible behavior? We are not at WODDSTOCK or some anti-Vietnam protest or is it that these folks are stuck in the 60's?????
According to the Police Report, the reporting party's residence is located on Summit Avenue, west of the Barman residence at 1366 Rubenstein Avenue.
http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/1366-Rubenstein...
From the map linked above, the two neighboring houses on Rubenstein and Summit Avenue are very far apart, both with very long back yards. The complaining neighbor's house on Summit Avenue is approximately the 20th closest house to the Barman residence. The complaining neighbor would have to go very much out of the way to hear noise from the Barman residence when the 19 other closer neighbors did not hear anything until the police arrived.
I bet they were drunk on white wine and chanting "anti-Bush" and "anti-Republican" slogans taught to them by our state run media.
But it doesn't matter/ What does matter is they respect the authority of the Law and stop acting like children. Who raised-up these people?
I swear, you gesticulate like those clowns on Faux News. God help us if Busby was using a teleprompter, huh?
Ironically, it's unquestioned support by politicians like Busby that allow the police to do it.
Karma is a *$@%#. Or in this case a lesbian.
Treat people how you want to be treated. It works wonders, even with officers of the law.
maybe you should be more respectful of neighbors in the 1st place...then the cops wouldn't have to be called on you and your friends.
No need to be mad at the messenger.
Just thank god he didn't shoot anyone.........
- Mark Twain
- Mark Twain
Maybe David Letterman can say something about Busby's daughter to really get this rolling.
Please stand and join me for our Glorious Moment of Lennonism...
"I get by with a little help from my friends."
- John Lennon
look at the posts by "GregorMandelbaum" then compare to other like-minded individuals
same poor grammar, same spelling errors, same hate, same right-wing radio talking points
the radical homophobic propagandists and racist-Minutemen types are out in full force being overzealous just like this Napoleonic-complex cop
Spelling errors? Grammar? Try looking at the leftist posts here for those.
What they don't realize is how transparent they are.
Gig seems to be the only honest one in the bunch.
Tell you what - hold your breath until they do please.
We all obeyed the law and went home peacefully. Surprise, surprise, no one was pepper sprayed. Funny how that works.
They are just people with the legal right to carry guns, clubs, pepper spray, and handcuffs, and many of them aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Though in some respects you are completely correct.
4th ammendment rights violation is too big of a deal to let go away.
I had a somewhat similar incident happen to me... totally abused by the Sheriff... big difference in my case was that we had video tape (from multiple angles) of the initial incident, and I was willing to shut my yap.
do you think it's cool that a cop walked into a private residence without warrant or invitation or circumstances that rise to the allowable loss of 4th ammendment protection [ie; violent crime in progress] ?
are you ok with that?
yard.
Your post is appropriate, SR.
Because you can get away with that kind of behavior on this message board.
a cop walked in and within seconds had a 60 year old woman's arm tweaked behind her in her own home because of a phone call
send me your address and i'll have one of your neghbors play this trick on you..
The people at this party should consider themselves lucky they weren't shot by our 'finest'.
Pitiful and sad.
Niether I, nor any of you know exactly how this particular incident transpired, so NONE of us can say anything about what the deputy should or shouldn't have done. All we can do is speculate, which results in negative feelings for law enforcement, and fuels the fire for all you anti-law enforcement ignoramous'. Yes, unfortunately incidents do occur when officers use excessive force. Internal Affairs take those kinds of allegations very seriously, and those incidents are never addressed mildly. But to you cop haters ANY force used is excessive, even when the officer or deputy is legitimatley defending his or herself.
The bottom line is that nobody is perfect. Criminals make mistakes, and so do cops. I believe that anyone who breaks the law, or abuses power given to them, should suffer the consequenses and repercussions that they deserve. Who do YOU think you are passing judgment on every single cop and every police or sheriff's department just because of a few bad apples?
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/06/raw-vid...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49kgG0s7lVk
Hey congratulations for making the most illogical argument on this thread yet - the old "you weren't there so you don't know what happened and have no right to comment" argument. This is the same reasoning used by the OJ jurors.
In contrast, reasonable and logical people can make a reasonable assessment based on the comments from numerous witnesses that there was something wrong with the way that the deputy acted.
Oh please, self serving statements by suspects or biased 'witnesses', friends of the suspects, hardly allow a reasonable assessment to be made.
Francine Busby... an American traitor in her own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsaoWja2OPs
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http://www.towleroad.com/2009/06/gays-in-texas-...
called criminals I saw 2 police beat a homeless man in a parking lot who did nothing but hang
out under a tree. I told them to stop and told me to go away or face arrest. I saw 2 gay men being beaten while leaving Balboa park for no reason whatsoever.
I have seen a black family driving ahead of me being pulled over and hauled out of their car.
Two kids and parents the parents were thrown to the ground in front of the kids. I parked and watched this horror. The cops for no apparent reason departed and I went to the family.
The kids were terrified and the parents did not know why this happened. No citations were given.
This is why I would never live in SD and wish my family members would leave.
And you still feel threatened?
Our Lawmakers and the People have allowed this to happen, now What Will Lawmakers and the People Do About it?
If he'd stayed in the doorway, no one would have been behind him.
Either these cops have too much time on their hands or too much funding.
they obviously deserved to be pepper-sprayed. I think they should've used TWO helicopters,
and burned the house to the ground. These militant lesbians must be stopped NOW, before they force everyone to adopt their gay agenda!
which a person is arrested for an offense declared to be an
infraction, the person may be released according to the procedures
set forth by this chapter for the release of persons arrested for an
offense declared to be a misdemeanor. In all cases, except as
specified in Sections 40302, 40303, 40305, and 40305.5 of the Vehicle
Code, in which a person is arrested for an infraction, a peace
officer shall only require the arrestee to present his or her driver'
s license or other satisfactory evidence of his or her identity for
examination and to sign a written promise to appear contained in a
notice to appear. If the arrestee does not have a driver's license
or other satisfactory evidence of identity in his or her possession,
the officer may require the arrestee to place a right thumbprint, or
a left thumbprint or fingerprint if the person has a missing or
disfigured right thumb, on the notice to appear. Except for law
enforcement purposes relating to the identity of the arrestee, no
person or entity may sell, give away, allow the distribution of,
include in a database, or create a database with, this print. Only
if the arrestee refuses to sign a written promise, has no
satisfactory identification, or refuses to provide a thumbprint or
fingerprint may the arrestee be taken into custody.
(b) A person contesting a charge by claiming under penalty of
perjury not to be the person issued the notice to appear may choose
to submit a right thumbprint, or a left thumbprint if the person has
a missing or disfigured right thumb, to the issuing court through his
or her local law enforcement agency for comparison with the one
placed on the notice to appear. A local law enforcement agency
providing this service may charge the requester no more than the
actual costs. The issuing court may refer the thumbprint submitted
and the notice to appear to the prosecuting attorney for comparison
of the thumbprints. When there is no thumbprint or fingerprint on
the notice to appear, or when the comparison of thumbprints is
inconclusive, the court shall refer the notice to appear or copy
thereof back to the issuing agency for further investigation, unless
the court finds that referral is not in the interest of justice.
(c) Upon initiation of the investigation or comparison process by
referral of the court, the court shall continue the case and the
speedy trial period shall be tolled for 45 days.
(d) Upon receipt of the issuing agency's or prosecuting attorney's
response, the court may make a finding of factual innocence pursuant
to Section 530.6 if the court determines that there is insufficient
evidence that the person cited is the person charged and shall
immediately notify the Department of Motor Vehicles of its
determination. If the Department of Motor Vehicles determines the
citation or citations in question formed the basis of a suspension or
revocation of the person's driving privilege, the department shall
immediately set aside the action.
(e) If the prosecuting attorney or issuing agency fails to respond
to a court referral within 45 days, the court shall make a finding
of factual innocence pursuant to Section 530.6, unless the court
finds that a finding of factual innocence is not in the interest of
justice.
853.6. (a) In any case in which a person is arrested for an offense
declared to be a misdemeanor, including a violation of any city or
county ordinance, and does not demand to be taken before a
magistrate, that person shall, instead of being taken before a
magistrate, be released according to the procedures set forth by this
chapter. If the person is released, the officer or his or her
superior shall prepare in duplicate a written notice to appear in
court, containing the name and address of the person, the offense
charged, and the time when, and place where, the person shall appear
in court. If, pursuant to subdivision (i), the person is not
released prior to being booked and the officer in charge of the
booking or his or her superior determines that the person should be
released, the officer or his or her superior shall prepare a written
notice to appear in a court.
In any case in which a person is arrested for a misdemeanor
violation of a protective court order involving domestic violence, as
defined in subdivision (b) of Section 13700, or arrested pursuant to
a policy, as described in Section 13701, the person shall be taken
before a magistrate instead of being released according to the
procedures set forth in this chapter, unless the arresting officer
determines that there is not a reasonable likelihood that the offense
will continue or resume or that the safety of persons or property
would be imminently endangered by release of the person arrested.
Prior to adopting these provisions, each city, county, or city and
county shall develop a protocol to assist officers to determine when
arrest and release is appropriate, rather than taking the arrested
person before a magistrate. The county shall establish a committee
to develop the protocol, consisting of, at a minimum, the police
chief or county sheriff within the jurisdiction, the district
attorney, county counsel, city attorney, representatives from
domestic violence shelters, domestic violence councils, and other
relevant community agencies.
Nothing in this subdivision shall be construed to affect a
defendant's ability to be released on bail or on his or her own
recognizance.
(b) Unless waived by the person, the time specified in the notice
to appear shall be at least 10 days after arrest if the duplicate
notice is to be filed by the officer with the magistrate.
(c) The place specified in the notice shall be the court of the
magistrate before whom the person would be taken if the requirement
of taking an arrested person before a magistrate were complied with,
or shall be an officer authorized by that court to receive a deposit
of bail.
(d) The officer shall deliver one copy of the notice to appear to
the arrested person, and the arrested person, in order to secure
release, shall give his or her written promise to appear in court as
specified in the notice by signing the duplicate notice which shall
be retained by the officer, and the officer may require the arrested
person, if he or she has no satisfactory identification, to place a
right thumbprint, or a left thumbprint or fingerprint if the person
has a missing or disfigured right thumb, on the notice to appear.
Except for law enforcement purposes relating to the identity of the
arrestee, no person or entity may sell, give away, allow the
distribution of, include in a database, or create a database with,
this print. Upon the signing of the duplicate notice, the arresting
officer shall immediately release the person arrested from custody.
(e) The officer shall, as soon as practicable, file the duplicate
notice, as follows:
(1) It shall be filed with the magistrate if the offense charged
is an infraction.
(2) It shall be filed with the magistrate if the prosecuting
attorney has previously directed the officer to do so.
(3) The duplicate notice and underlying police reports in support
of the charge or charges shall be filed with the prosecuting attorney
in cases other than those specified in paragraphs (1) and (2).
If the duplicate notice is filed with the prosecuting attorney, he
or she, within his or her discretion, may initiate prosecution by
filing the notice or a formal complaint with the magistrate specified
in the duplicate notice within 25 days from the time of arrest. If
the prosecution is not to be initiated, the prosecutor shall send
notice to the person arrested at the address on the notice to appear.
The failure by the prosecutor to file the notice or formal
complaint within 25 days of the time of the arrest shall not bar
further prosecution of the misdemeanor charged in the notice to
appear. However, any further prosecution shall be preceded by a new
and separate citation or an arrest warrant.
Upon the filing of the notice with the magistrate by the officer,
or the filing of the notice or formal complaint by the prosecutor,
the magistrate may fix the amount of bail that in his or her
judgment, in accordance with Section 1275, is reasonable and
sufficient for the appearance of the defendant and shall endorse upon
the notice a statement signed by him or her in the form set forth in
Section 815a. The defendant may, prior to the date upon which he or
she promised to appear in court, deposit with the magistrate the
amount of bail set by the magistrate. At the time the case is called
for arraignment before the magistrate, if the defendant does not
appear, either in person or by counsel, the magistrate may declare
the bail forfeited, and may, in his or her discretion, order that no
further proceedings shall be had in the case, unless the defendant
has been charged with a violation of Section 374.3 or 374.7 of this
code or of Section 11357, 11360, or 13002 of the Health and Safety
Code, or a violation punishable under Section 5008.7 of the Public
Resources Code, and he or she has previously been convicted of a
violation of that section or a violation that is punishable under
that section, except in cases where the magistrate finds that undue
hardship will be imposed upon the defendant by requiring him or her
to appear, the magistrate may declare the bail forfeited and order
that no further proceedings be had in the case.
Upon the making of the order that no further proceedings be had,
all sums deposited as bail shall immediately be paid into the county
treasury for distribution pursuant to Section 1463.
(f) No warrant shall be issued for the arrest of a person who has
given a written promise to appear in court, unless and until he or
she has violated that promise or has failed to deposit bail, to
appear for arraignment, trial, or judgment or to comply with the
terms and provisions of the judgment, as required by law.
(g) The officer may book the arrested person prior to release or
indicate on the citation that the arrested person shall appear at the
arresting agency to be booked or indicate on the citation that the
arrested person shall appear at the arresting agency to be
fingerprinted prior to the date the arrested person appears in court.
If it is indicated on the citation that the arrested person shall
be booked or fingerprinted prior to the date of the person's court
appearance, the arresting agency at the time of booking or
fingerprinting shall provide the arrested person with verification of
the booking or fingerprinting by making an entry on the citation.
If it is indicated on the citation that the arrested person is to be
booked or fingerprinted, the magistrate, judge, or court shall,
before the proceedings begin, order the defendant to provide
verification that he or she was booked or fingerprinted by the
arresting agency. If the defendant cannot produce the verification,
the magistrate, judge, or court shall require that the defendant be
booked or fingerprinted by the arresting agency before the next court
appearance, and that the defendant provide the verification at the
next court appearance unless both parties stipulate that booking or
fingerprinting is not necessary.
(h) A peace officer shall use the written notice to appear
procedure set forth in this section for any misdemeanor offense in
which the officer has arrested a person without a warrant pursuant to
Section 836 or in which he or she has taken custody of a person
pursuant to Section 847.
(i) Whenever any person is arrested by a peace officer for a
misdemeanor, that person shall be released according to the
procedures set forth by this chapter unless one of the following is a
reason for nonrelease, in which case the arresting officer may
release the person, or the arresting officer shall indicate, on a
form to be established by his or her employing law enforcement
agency, which of the following was a reason for the nonrelease:
(1) The person arrested was so intoxicated that he or she could
have been a danger to himself or herself or to others.
(2) The person arrested required medical examination or medical
care or was otherwise unable to care for his or her own safety.
(3) The person was arrested under one or more of the circumstances
listed in Sections 40302 and 40303 of the Vehicle Code.
(4) There were one or more outstanding arrest warrants for the
person.
(5) The person could not provide satisfactory evidence of personal
identification.
(6) The prosecution of the offense or offenses for which the
person was arrested, or the prosecution of any other offense or
offenses, would be jeopardized by immediate release of the person
arrested.
(7) There was a reasonable likelihood that the offense or offenses
would continue or resume, or that the safety of persons or property
would be imminently endangered by release of the person arrested.
(8) The person arrested demanded to be taken before a magistrate
or refused to sign the notice to appear.
(9) There is reason to believe that the person would not appear at
the time and place specified in the notice. The basis for this
determination shall be specifically stated.
The form shall be filed with the arresting agency as soon as
practicable and shall be made available to any party having custody
of the arrested person, subsequent to the arresting officer, and to
any person authorized by law to release him or her from custody
before trial.
(j) Once the arresting officer has prepared the written notice to
appear and has delivered a copy to the person arrested, the officer
shall deliver the remaining original and all copies as provided by
subdivision (e).
Any person, including the arresting officer and any member of the
officer's department or agency, or any peace officer, who alters,
conceals, modifies, nullifies, or destroys, or causes to be altered,
concealed, modified, nullified, or destroyed, the face side of the
remaining original or any copy of a citation that was retained by the
officer, for any reason, before it is filed with the magistrate or
with a person authorized by the magistrate to receive deposit of
bail, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
If, after an arrested person has signed and received a copy of a
notice to appear, the arresting officer determines that, in the
interest of justice, the citation or notice should be dismissed, the
arresting agency may recommend, in writing, to the magistrate that
the charges be dismissed. The recommendation shall cite the reasons
for the recommendation and shall be filed with the court.
If the magistrate makes a finding that there are grounds for
dismissal, the finding shall be entered in the record and the charges
dismissed.
Under no circumstances shall a personal relationship with any
officer, public official, or law enforcement agency be grounds for
dismissal.
(k) (1) A person contesting a charge by claiming under penalty of
perjury not to be the person issued the notice to appear may choose
to submit a right thumbprint, or a left thumbprint if the person has
a missing or disfigured right thumb, to the issuing court through his
or her local law enforcement agency for comparison with the one
placed on the notice to appear. A local law enforcement agency
providing this service may charge the requester no more than the
actual costs. The issuing court may refer the thumbprint submitted
and the notice to appear to the prosecuting attorney for comparison
of the thumbprints. When there is no thumbprint or fingerprint on
the notice to appear, or when the comparison of thumbprints is
inconclusive, the court shall refer the notice to appear or copy
thereof back to the issuing agency for further investigation, unless
the court finds that referral is not in the interest of justice.
(2) Upon initiation of the investigation or comparison process by
referral of the court, the court shall continue the case and the
speedy trial period shall be tolled for 45 days.
(3) Upon receipt of the issuing agency's or prosecuting attorney's
response, the court may make a finding of factual innocence pursuant
to Section 530.6 if the court determines that there is insufficient
evidence that the person cited is the person charged and shall
immediately notify the Department of Motor Vehicles of its
determination. If the Department of Motor Vehicles determines the
citation or citations in question formed the basis of a suspension or
revocation of the person's driving privilege, the department shall
immediately set aside the action.
(4) If the prosecuting attorney or issuing agency fails to respond
to a court referral within 45 days, the court shall make a finding
of factual innocence pursuant to Section 530.6, unless the court
finds that a finding of factual innocence is not in the interest of
justice.
(5) The citation or notice to appear may be held by the
prosecuting attorney or issuing agency for future adjudication should
the arrestee who received the citation or notice to appear be found.
(l) For purposes of this section, the term "arresting agency"
includes any other agency designated by the arresting agency to
provide booking or fingerprinting services.
examination"
DOB
What you have here says, and I quote:
If the person is released, the officer or his or her
superior shall prepare in duplicate a written notice to appear in
court, containing the name and address of the person, the offense
charged, and the time when, and place where, the person shall appear
in court.
Name and address were supplied. I see no DOB requirement. SD Sheriff citation forms impose no legal duty on citizens, fortunately, or they could require you to write the Magna Carta from memory ... just because.
The obvious intent of the relevant portions of the statute is for peace officers to obtain satisfactory identification before releasing someone, whether before, after, or in the absence of booking.
it was explained to me by the CHP Officer I spoke with. My agency
fingerprints everyone.
unless, of course, you believe that happened some time ago
in which case, it's
confirmation of end of career for busby.
Deputy Barney Fife...er, Abbott was a real storm trooper man handling a 60-year old lady.
--"“He had a raged look in his eyes and his head was bobbing from side to side..."
-- “looked like he was feeling out of control.”
--“His eyes were darting around the room as if we may have guns,”
--After Abbott called for backup, police cars, a fire truck, a helicopter and a K-9 unit arrived, the women said. Seven guests were arrested for taking photos with a cell phone camera and talking back to an officer; most were released at the scene, they said.
[LunarCycle again]: Since when was it a high crime to take evidentiary photos, considering we have cameras taking our pictures all over town by the ever growing security & surveillance apparatus approved by Homeland Security and the Sheriff's department. Funny, have a political dissent protest and the cops are out there videoing everything you say and do, they did it when the Bush motorcade would spin around town. My big question, I did not see the data on, is, were those cell phones or cameras seized by the deputies, prior to releasing those additional "terrorists?" Scary times, wake up folks. Law enforcement has been given way too much power, and the fascists helped create that power to protect their cabal, in a fear created climate after 9/11.
Meaningless. How can someone look at what he is feeling and expect their interpretation to accurately portray his thoughts ?
If you accept that statement, then you would have to accept a statement such as:
The lynch mob crowd looked like they were feeling the urge to harm the officer & break the detainee free, who looked like she wanted to find a weapon to use on the officer .
--“His eyes were darting around the room as if we may have guns,”
Of course he would, if he was threatened by the actions of those in the room. That is exactly what LE is trained to do when a crowd becomes unruly.
I'm sure he wouldn't have been forced into a defensive act of self preservation if the accused simply cooperated.
--"“He had a raged look in his eyes and his head was bobbing from side to side..."
What exactly is "bobbing from side to side"? I can't seem to find a movement this would describe.
--“His eyes were darting around the room as if we may have guns,”
I would like to look the S.O. deputy into his eyes, and say: When you talk to your mother next time, are you going to mention that you threw a 60 year old lady to the ground with force, for not answering your question, and then any other women who dared to try to talk to you, you would spray them in their face with pepper spray while waving your Taser gun around (as if to say "you want some of this too?'").
My code has always been, a man never hits a woman. Has this changed with the S.D. Sheriff's department? Has this changed with all law enforcement agencies. You can strike a woman even though she really was never a threat, she did not have a weapon, she simply walked away from your demanding confrontational and adversarial demeanor (command authority) because you are GOD, you are a COP.
Hopefully the FBI will get involved to review this for civil rights violations, but why not the Mansker and White cases? I have a funny feeling the entire cabal is meeting now to determine how to tone it down but put project a perception that there is fair justice (as they militarize the police even more).
seems short and simple to me
but i always cooperated. when they said stop, i stopped. when they said get on the ground i did. when they asked for personal information i gave them true and correct information. i never ran, lied, fought, or gave the guys a hard time. some of the cops were arrogant d*^&*eads but they were never physically abusive.
That deputy needs to do hard time.
Here's a serious question...........................................wait a minute, silly me, I was about to ask you a serious question, nevermind.
You're damned right I'm pissed off.
SCREW YOU FASCISTS.
They broke up our party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
"Yeah -- I have anger issues...."
You need a headshrinker.
"SCREW YOU FASCISTS."
You forgot to call us Nazis and baby killers. LOL.
Please stay off the freeways until you calm down.
Get enrolled in an anger management program.
Take two more Aspirin.
You are absolutley right.
Just remember, when they take our guns away, it's all over.
These traits include conventionalism, authoritarian submission, authoritarian aggression, anti-introspection, superstition and stereotypy, power and "toughness," destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and exaggerated concerns over sex.
So I think that helps answer the question as to how our LEO's compare to Nazi's. They may not be there yet, but they certainly have started down the path to the dark side.
I considered simply not responding at all...but we all know how that would turn out right?
.... detective, if you where keen enough, you would have seen that I indeed answered your question.... "so what does Squid mean?"
You assumed I used it for a Navy conotation.
It was probably BUSBY IN THE BUSHES ..................
think about it
no campaign, no hope of one, no funds raised, nothing
now, after she catcalled to her fellow lesbos and created a buzzsaw, she is IN THE NEWS
Course - STILL no campaign, no hope of one , ............
Cool call!!!!
That is simply the way of nature.
Republithug morons.
Couple things:
(1) I think it's time to have your mommy give you your daily dose of ridalin.
(2) It's past your bedtime.
(3) You're grounded.
Signed,
You're imaginary friend.
What were you charged with?
You need say a prayer that blesses upon me that I may confess my sins well and benefit from the grace of the sacrament. Then you need to say something like, "now let us bring into the light anything you want to give in to Gods mercy."
Then I'll say "Forgive me Father EchoBravo, for I have sinned. It has been 36 years since my last confession....blah,blah,blah
NOT!!!
They're just gaming you if you try to reason with them, just waiting for the opportunity to stick their boot in your face.
Ask ANY European how to deal with a fascist.
You shoot first, believe me.
And when cops behave like fascists, it is time to treat them like fascists.
Cops, behave yourselves while there is still time.
Again, you have to deal with people -- using that term loosely -- as they ARE, not as you wish they would be.
mminuteman here -- he's for Alan Keyes. Well, that tells us all we need to know about HIS politics.
And his psychiatric condition.
You Duke Cunningham fans are still sore, aren't you?
Remember, you treat a rabid dog like a rabid dog.
You are making absolutely no sense at all and you need to stop your antics. Quite frankly, you should be BANNED from this site.
A buddy of the Duke-stir?
It is going to take lynching some bad cops to make this kind of thing to stop.
SO typical of Republcan Nazis.
You sir have a beautiful imagination!
An ILLEGAL with every PAPER, and a HOMOPHOBE in every BUSH.
You really are Mad aren't you Tom
I bet you voted for Obama didn't you.
That's why your so upset with yourself.
Take two aspirin, calm down, call McCain and tell him your sorry he lost the election.
You will feel much better tomorrow.
You got me there
Why is this known failure Busby still in the running for the Democratic candidacy?
Witness the over-achieving Harvey Milk, idol and hero of the wiggling crowd.
is a closet pervert him/herself.
Yeppers
You keep saying that mantra to yourself
and to your fellow travellers at your political rallies and parties
Make SURE you use megaphones ..............
And guess what...Bilbray STILL hasn't been beaten in a loooong time!
Need a tissue?
And - thanks to all the rabid folks here calling for a public beheading of the officer who was forced to pepper spray the loons and throw 2 of them into the drunk tank! You all are so darned amusing i cnanot thank you enough!
I remember once walking my dog, and the dog found a wallet in the bushes. Recognizing that the wallet was probably stolen, and being just across the street from a police station, the dog and I went over and turned it in. The first thing the policeman wanted to know after my name was my birth date. My birthdate? I turn in a wallet and you want my birthdate? What is it with police and birthdates? At that moment I had a choice. . . make a snide comment (my first instinct) , or just say it and be done with it. My birthdate and the found wallet are now in some police data file. . . . .
Ironically, the rude neighbor's behavior may lead to this becoming a national story and guess what .. . Francine Busby gets publicity and more donors!! I am writing my check now. . .
But then, dave can do his PC Cut and Paste again since he's so stuck on the "Date of Birth" question.
Gee, I thought it was the bigot yelling insults over the hedge because he couldn't deal with the fact that gay people lived next door. BTW, it was a political fundraiser of a couple dozen middle-aged people, not a raucous teenage kegger "party".
Please explain WHO is the "liberal elite" in this situation. Seriously, think it through now...WHO is "elite" here? And what does that exactly mean to you? Does "elite" mean anyone who went to college or something?
Speaking of Kool-Aid, if you're going to blindly parrot right-wing buzzwords and talking points, please have some idea of what these words actually MEAN before you use them.
Please read the original article closely, followed by the comment, and then my response.
If you can't keep up we'll have to keep you back another grade.
Was it THIS part that you missed?
"a man on the property behind her house shouted “disparaging remarks” about Busby and gay people."
Or was it my question about who was "elite"?
You'll really HAVE to be more specific if you want people to understand your "issues".
As Freud said, sometimes an open door is just an open door.
in the home and Officer went into the
home uninvited to search for her.
Officer talked to people outside the home
and asked where she was.
He was told inside the home.
Officer did not ring bell or knock
Officer invited himself in and
started wandering around in the home.
Homeowner was probably startled to
see an uninvited, unannounced Officer
wandering around in her home.
Officer unlawfully escalated situation
into a violent confrontation/arrest situation
for a misdemeanor noise complaint that
he did not witness or hear himself.
Officer broke numerous laws and
police regulation here.
Valid consent, warrant, exigent circumstances, and hot pursuit.
An open door is not an invitation, and a guest cannot give valid consent. There was obviously no hot pursuit, exigent circumstance, or warrant.
I hope you're not a cop.
She had given up some rights by hosting the party, allowing the guests to come and go through that front door. His was not an unreasonable entry by case law.
and "officers report" favoring his position
Also read reports from investigators who
interviewed 6 other close by neighbors
who hear no noise
until a police helicopter flew over.
No Warrant.
No permission by owner
No reasonable suspicion of an
inherently dangerous felony on the premises.
No lawful entry.
Most cities in the USA
Officer is wrong here
and disciplined.
San Diego has a "cowboy cops"
reputation were citizens rights appear
to be secondary.
We will see how this plays out
Perhaps this case will lead to better
training of officers and respect for the rule of law
did not have a clue about
caselaw, the constitution,
discretion and judgment
required of a Police Officer.
Constitution comes first.
Caselaw flows and tries
to adhere to it as close as
possible.
Whether it is 200+ years old
of derived 1 day old caselaw
does not matter.
We do not rewrite the Constitution
and basic principals to make it
easier to violate peoples rights
Incorporated and Applied to the States
via the 14 Amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
NOTE WELL
INCLUDES: SECURE IN THEIR HOUSES
AND THEIR PERSONS
Entry was unlawful.
Case dismissed
Attention advertisers, you too can reach this prime demographic.
wow. what a small small world you live in.
Question: Where you by chance there at the party?
"Reports from deputies at the scene do not mention alcohol, Yancey said, which indicates people at the party were not suspected of being drunk."
If this had been a bible study, on the other hand...
He deserves jail for the false report as I see it, yelling political slurs prior to his false complaint is a big tip off. He was angry and screaming obscenities at his own neighbors only moments before he couldn't sleep? Right.
These partisan political kooks are going to far. THey are putting their partisan politics above their own community and neighborhoods and the hatred that they are picking up is becoming a threat to us all. As we just saw here.
DENVER – Two teenagers who had been given city permission to write their messages protesting Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama's support for abortion on public sidewalks during the Democratic National Convention this week were shoved to the sidewalk, cuffed and arrested for doing just that.
Yeah, we see where this will end up - in court.
Standby for tomorrow's headlines: "Lawsuit filed against SD Sheriff's Department"
Also, I take it you've never been the victim of a phony complaint. Very seldom do the police just "move on."
In answer to your question, no. Are you on crack?
And in answer to your next statement, yes, I have been the victim of a phony complaint by activist so-called "Democrats" in fact and they tried numerous times to start a riot and when that didn't work they tried to have me arrested and the cops were cool and we chatted and then they "moved on" because I was calm and respectful, as were they, and unlike the unruly crowd of "mafiosi" we interacted like adults, not children. That is all it takes when dealing with the cops, I've found.
Hmmm... Randy something, but I can't remember....
GregorMandelbaum, typical doofus.
it would be interesting to know just who called, or how they covered their phone tracks
This person sounds immature and unstable, first hiding in the bushes screaming profanity at his neighbors then calling the police at 9:00 complaining he couldn't sleep due to noise.
Probably some very interesting affiliations and past incidents with this guy.
I used to have a neighbor who would hide in shrubs and curse at her neighbors. She was a severe alcoholic and used to go to Roswell, New Mexico twice a year thinking some mother ship was going to land there.
I'm sure this guy who made a phony call to the cops for "noise" is similarly unstable
dig into his past, UT
And if they don't want to talk, it's no doubt because they're ashamed of themselves.
Posted at: http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Hoste...
dontlie - 6/27/2009 posted:
"I was there. It was a quiet very classy political fundraiser with valet parking and catering. The older crowd (I'm 54 and many were much older than me) was very quiet and the only music was some very low background guitar music in the first hour. When Francine made her remarks at about 8:15 or so the mic was so low that those in the back were having a hard time hearing her. What we did hear was a very loud very vulgar neighbor from behind a hedge shouting insults. Francine made a joke about that and the crowd cheered which was the noisiest it got all evening."
I worked for 25 years there and will get less than 2 grand a month when I retire...whooo whoo.. I'll go crazy on that money. A friend of mine gets 1100 from social security disability and only worked for a few years before becoming disabled..we're about the same age..
so I worked for 25 years for the city and get 900 more than someone who only worked a few years his whole life.
He is disabled..but the reward for working a full lifetime should be more..
If you think privatization is the answer then you don't have the figures that I have.
Private employees were brought into my city office to do some of the work I had done before..
they were paid almost 50 percent more than I was making and there was profit for a pvt company on top of that..
so really..it is corruption you should worry about and not the average city employee salary.
what say you mr duffy? mr lasuer? mr gore? [oh yeah, gore won't be able to speak on it~wonder if he'll take action or responsibility for it.]
I don't even like the guy but thanks to their political agenda and the ace crack reporting team down at the UT, they've helped me make up my mind: I'm voting for Bilbray
:)
Nice coincidence ...
why do you try and turn every last story into an illegal alien debate
there is more to life besides "illegal aliens", you are OBSESSED
get help
I ask because for some reason, I just don't see you as the type who frequents Democratic fundraisers.
thegaymafia thinks the dep was the only one feeling above the law that night
more BS
I would hope any cop with appropriate physical and mental training could pass easily.
your statment sure is the truth! its called lynching!
They have the "Green Traffic" attitude.
Please join me in A Glorious Moment of Marxism.....
"Women should be obscene and not heard."
- Groucho Marx
Motto ”To Protect and Serve”, instead of stun and gun. Unfortunately there are many officers trying to do a good job and treat the people with respect, they will get tar and feathered along with the bad few.
Why is anybody supprised?
At this point she is abusing her position. What normal citizen can have an out of control party then demand an explanation for the police showing up?
She is going to end up looking like an even bigger fool when this is all done.
The whole matter is rediculous, an absolute disregard for the public's interest in sheriff's deputies spending their time doing something useful. Instead, we are going to pay how many manhours so she can find some way to twist the issue and blame the cops instead of her cronies.
and a complete waste of valuable resources to
use dogs, helicopters and 8 other units for
a simple noise complaint.
Deputy had the name,address and phone number of the homeowner
which is plenty of information for his report.
What law or statue requires this homeowner to give
her date of birth to this Deputy and for what reason?
Was there excessive noise disturbing the neighbors
when the Deputies arrived?
No
Was it after 10:00 PM when most noise ordinances are effective?
No
Was there any evidence for writing a noise citation
other than an unsubstantiated crank call to dispatch?
No
Was the person who made the call "on scene" to
swear out a formal complaint and document any noise problem?
No.
These questionable actions by the Deputy
show that he is:
1) Very poorly trained, OR
2)Has poor "on site judgment"
3) Is incapable of talking out and diffusing situations
4) Has very poor rapport and public communications skills
5) Has poor judgment in citing or arresting middle aged
taxpayers on such flimsy "evidence"
6) Uses excessive force in pepper spraying
middle aged people at a peaceful political fundraiser in a private home
(the same tactics the militias use in Iran against innocent people).
Male Deputies should be paired with female deputies.
Studies have shown that female officers are much better at
talking and defusing situations rather escalating situatuations
into violent confrontations and unnecessary arrests.
I have my doubts that the Deputies will be
disciplined and/or presecuted
since the SD DA is so dependent on
the Police and Deputies Labor Unions
for endorsements and cash for their elections/reections
so charges are rarely brought
against Officers even when they are clearly
abusing their authority.
(like pepper spraying innocent middle aged people at
a fundraiser or shooting dead a homeless person
holding a mere table leg).
which is plenty of information for his report. NOT REALLY...UNLESS THE HOMEOWNER IS THE SUSPECT
What law or statue requires this homeowner to give
her date of birth to this Deputy and for what reason? 148PC/415PC
Was there excessive noise disturbing the neighbors
when the Deputies arrived?
No-HOW DO YOU KNOW? DO TELL!
Was it after 10:00 PM when most noise ordinances are effective?
No -HOW DO YOU KNOW? DO TELL! BESIDES 10PM IS NOT ALWAYS PART OF THE ELEMENT
Was there any evidence for writing a noise citation
other than an unsubstantiated crank call to dispatch?
No- AGAIN, HOW DO YOU KNOW? DO TELL!
Was the person who made the call "on scene" to
swear out a formal complaint and document any noise problem?
No. AGAIN, HOW DO YOU KNOW? DO TELL!
These questionable actions by the Deputy
show that he is: PROPERLY TRAINED AND SHOWED TREMENDOUS RESTRAINT!
5) Has poor judgment in citing or arresting middle aged
taxpayers on such flimsy "evidence" -BECAUSE MIDDLE AGED PEOPLE NEVER COMMIT CRIME-MADOFF?
6) Uses excessive force in pepper spraying
middle aged people at a peaceful political fundraiser in a private home
(the same tactics the militias use in Iran against innocent people). ARE YOU ON THE MEDICINAL MARIJUANA CARD? THOSE MIDDLE AGED PEOPLE DIDN'T SEEM TOO PEACEFUL TO ME. BESIDES WHATS YOUR HANG UP WITH BEING MIDDLE AGED? IS THAT AN EXCUSE TO COMMIT CRIME?
Male Deputies should be paired with female deputies. --UH...OK...WHY?
Studies have shown that female officers are much better at
talking and defusing situations rather escalating situatuations
into violent confrontations and unnecessary arrests. SAME STUDIES SHOW THAT WHEN THE FIGHTS ON, THEY SHOOT QUICKER OTHERWISE THEY'RE OVERPOWERED AND THE MIDDLE AGED CRIMINALS TAKE HER GUN.
I have my doubts that the Deputies will be
disciplined and/or presecuted--OH GOD I HOPE THATS TRUE, WHY PROSECUTE THE INNOCENT?
her date of birth to this Deputy and for what reason? 148PC/415PC
Epic fail. Neither has anything to say about it.
I got kind of excited that someone had finally answered this question.
148PC 148. (a) (1) Every person who willfully resists, delays, or obstructs any public officer, peace officer, or an emergency medical technician, as defined in Division 2.5 (commencing with Section 1797) of the Health and Safety Code, in the discharge or attempt to discharge any duty of his or her office or employment, when no other punishment is prescribed, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
(2) Except as provided by subdivision (d) of Section 653t, every person who knowingly and maliciously interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with the transmission of a communication over a public safety radio frequency shall be punished by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.
(b) Every person who, during the commission of any offense described in subdivision (a), removes or takes any weapon, other than a firearm, from the person of, or immediate presence of, a public officer or peace officer shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year or in the state prison.
(c) Every person who, during the commission of any offense described in subdivision (a), removes or takes a firearm from the person of, or immediate presence of, a public officer or peace officer shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison.
(d) Except as provided in subdivision (c) and notwithstanding subdivision (a) of Section 489, every person who removes or takes without intent to permanently deprive, or who attempts to remove or take a firearm from the person of, or immediate presence of, a public officer or peace officer, while the officer is engaged in the performance of his or her lawful duties, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year or in the state prison.
In order to prove a violation of this subdivision, the prosecution shall establish that the defendant had the specific intent to remove or take the firearm by demonstrating that any of the following direct, but ineffectual, acts occurred:
(1) The officer's holster strap was unfastened by the defendant.
(2) The firearm was partially removed from the officer's holster by the defendant.
(3) The firearm safety was released by the defendant.
(4) An independent witness corroborates that the defendant stated that he or she intended to remove the firearm and the defendant actually touched the firearm.
(5) An independent witness corroborates that the defendant actually had his or her hand on the firearm and tried to take the firearm away from the officer who was holding it.
(6) The defendant's fingerprint was found on the firearm or holster.
(7) Physical evidence authenticated by a scientifically verifiable procedure established that the defendant touched the firearm.
(8) In the course of any struggle, the officer's firearm fell and the defendant attempted to pick it up.
(e) A person shall not be convicted of a violation of subdivision (a) in addition to a conviction of a violation of subdivision (b), (c), or (d) when the resistance, delay, or obstruction, and the removal or taking of the weapon or firearm or attempt thereof, was committed against the same public officer, peace officer, or emergency medical technician.. A person may be convicted of multiple violations of this section if more than one public officer, peace officer, or emergency medical technician are victims.
(f) This section shall not apply if the public officer, peace officer, or emergency medical technician is disarmed while engaged in a criminal act.
Hmm, nothing about providing a DOB here.
415PC Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine:
(1) Any person who unlawfully fights in a public place or
challenges another person in a public place to fight.
(2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
person by loud and unreasonable noise.
(3) Any person who uses offensive words in a public place which
are inherently likely to provoke an immediate violent reaction.
Hmm nothing about providing a DOB.
Your quoting a PC which is after the fact in this scenario. If someone resisted arrest when "told" they are under arrest, the DOB question would be "after" the cuffs and nice shuttle to jail for processing. Seriously, your really sounding like an idiot attorney.
Legally, there is also no requirement to give your DOB when pulled over although there IS a requirment to provide your current valid driver's license.
Seriously, you're sounding like Joe Biden.
1) I never said I was an attorney, that's just one more thing you got wrong.
2) You radioed in a DOB because it was on the driver's license that the driver was required to provide to you, which is totally irrelevant to:
3) You never provided the legal citation requiring a person to give their DOB to a police officer.
Also:
148PC 148. (a) (1) Every person who .......or obstructs any public officer:THIS IS WHERE YOU FIND THE SECTION FOR NOT COOPERATING DURING THE INVESTIGATION.
415PC Any of the following persons shall be punished by imprisonment
in the county jail for a period of not more than 90 days, a fine of
not more than four hundred dollars ($400), or both such imprisonment
and fine: (2) Any person who maliciously and willfully disturbs another
person by loud and unreasonable noise. IN ORDER TO BOOK AND CHARGE, YOU NEED TO PROPERLY ID.
I think we know now who truly knows the business...hurry, you're about to miss another episode of COPS or Wildest Police Videos which is obviously your source of information.
You cannot be charged with obstruction for refusing to speak to an officer and provide information which may incriminate yourself.
No Noise witnesses or heard.
Unlawfully invited himself into a private residence
without permission of the homeowner.
No felonies happening or did happen.
No reason to even be there,
Officer should have rang the doorbell,
waited for homeowner
then questioned homeowner from the front porch.
Officer broke the law by entering the home.
Your dinner bell is ringing at the Donovan Prison
you better respond and pick up your dinner
1)Since Officers arrived at a private residence.
2)Officers did not have with reasonable certainty
3)have probable cause that an
4) an inherently dangerous felony was committed
5) or in the process of being committed
6) Deputy did not have a valid warrant
to enter a private residence with
7) actionable and immediate facts sworn
to and signed off by a sitting Judge
8)Without the express permission of the
owner of that residence or their duly authorized agent
9) Therefore, Deputies unlawfully entered this private
residence and all the "trumped up" charges will be throw out
as they should be when someone abuses their
legal authority under color of title, official office or authority.
Iran is hiring for its militias
to attack innocent civilians
Sound like you would be a fit for that job
of a professionally trained law enforcement official
Have lots of friends and relatives who have been
and are in law enforcement.
This total lack of professionalism is inexcusable.
Hope they get to the bottom of this.
I have my doubts.
San Diego Police misconduct investigations
usually go nowhere--there is no accoutability.
They rubber stamp everything as "justified"
including shooting to death unarmed, harmless homeless persons
You can research the history of
abusive shootings and excessive force
used in this county by law enforcement over the past
10-20 years and the record is long and it has never been
prosecuted
That seems to be the general premise doesn't it?
SAN DIEGO RightWingNut heaven.
Fixed it for ya
Sorry, this will be his legacy at the time retirement.
Some how, this will be labeled as his last legacy running the department.
He should investigate this sad event.
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The U-T should have someone in Cardiff trying to figure out who this person is and post their name as a minimum and try to get a statement from them. They also need a statement from Abbott, but it is a given that he is "lawyer'd up" and won't say much.
They also need to need to get quotes from people at the party as to what exactly the neighbor said. These are key pieces that are missing with enough detail to understand the events.
I find it amusing that it's usually the guilty parties involved who are always the ones so quick to start pointing fingers and bring up proposterous allegations.
What allegation did I make? I said the paper has more investigating to do, which they do.
What the hell is your comment even suppose to mean? Seriously, are you mentally retarded?
There is NO actual fact that this occurred, it's all hear-say. Take your blinders off and think for a while before you throw-up.
That does not meet the definition of hearsay ... it meets the definition of evidence from an eye witness.
Evidence from an eye witness? Ok then, show me the evidence then? Where's the evidence??
Until someone comes forward who actually said that, it's hear-say. If they find someone who they think actually said that, they better have proof he in fact did it, like a video or recording.
So until then, yes it is all hear-say....get it yet?
Would it even make a difference to you?
It wouldn't matter to YOU if everyone said it. It wouldn't matter to YOU if 5,000 people confirmed it with first hand eye-witness accounts.
And frankly, you would never "get it".
You see, it doesn't matter if it's hypothetical or not, your argument is moot. Move on loser.
Sir, sorry to have burden you, you are right; reading comprehension not my strong point..TBI served in Iraq
for walking around the coastal community of San Diego to the dismay of certain residents in the
La Jolla area of San Diego and was arrested by sdpd for refusing to show ID and was taken to the
Superior Court of the United States and the Court said that it is unlawfull for police departments
to require a citizen to provide such information?
Ah! and don't forget all the pot heads and serious criminals they have to deal with on a daily basis...
Do you actually try to think before you post?
Next time read the posting more carefully...'Many people in law enforcement'
Geeeez, I think you are plain ignorant.
back but he was a black gentleman of high intelligence that used to walk the coastal communities
of San Diego to the dismay of many people. After several complaints the sdpd were constantly
harrasing this person. Anyway they asked him for ID and he refused stating he did not have to
produce ID upon civil rights issues. As i recall this case went to the Supreme Court and they
there found he was right in his refusal. Can anyone clarify this case?
I was [a police officer -- ed.] for 30 years. He contacted the owner at the door, and she walked into her residence, away from him when she refused to answer the DOB question. He merely followed her inside. Nothing in the article stated that she refused him entry into the home, nor does it state that she slammed of forced the door closed on him.
She had given up some rights by hosting the party, allowing the guests to come and go through that front door. His was not an unreasonable entry by case law.
That's so bad it's not even wrong.
You were a very poorly trained police officer, apparently.
She gave up nothing by having guests in her home, and an open door is not an invitation. Where did you learn this stuff?
Now, according to your chain of events, he could have been in "hot pursuit" (how fast can a 60 year old Democrat move, anyway?), but only after he attempteed to place her under arrest.
No wonder people have problems with cops: they are so poorly trained that they just stumble all over people's rights and think they're doing the right thing.
It should be easy, go ahead and slam dunk me. I love to be wrong if I can get an education. But I won't just take your word for it. Cite the law.
Whiff.
into a private citizens house without
permission and without a valid warrant
as guests are leaving to search for
someone.
That is a blatant violation of that citizen's
constitutional rights
Shows extremely bad judgment by the deputy.
In larger urban areas like NYC, LA Chicago
of SF, it could be a death wish
You can take a crack at which statute or doctrine required Barman to give the deputy her DOB if you want to make it 1 for 2.
Wrong. I like facts. I even like thee fact that you gave me a couple of citations to read, even if I don't know which issue you're addressing (DOB vs. 4th Amendment).
In essence, she was being detained and walked away from the detention, as the cop was there investigating a noise complaint from her residence. By law, the cop is allowed and expected to obtain, name address, and DOB. Anything further and she does not have to answer.
The goal being to ascertain her identity. Had she stood mute, she could have been detained almost indefinitely pending identification if there's an articulable probable cause for detaining her in the first place.
But he had ascertained her identity. What's the pressing need? Here's your explanation:
However, from a practical standpoint, all this cop was trying to do was fill out a simple form, with the department required information filled in and get out of there. She failed to go along with the program and escalated the situation.
So this is a contempt of cop case because the form needed a box filled in? Really? Surely we can do better than this.
Is this reasonable? Is this America? I won't engage in some ridiculous Nazi comparison, but when things get to the point where any large number of people thinks this is reasonable, we've lost something.
But you may not enter a private home in the absence of the Big Four that you should have learned in the academy: warrant, valid consent, exigent circumstances, or hot pursuit.
And that is what surfmutt was trying to say.
on the sidewalk.
Homeowner was not out side or at the front door.
Homeowner was well inside the home.
Officer's first contact with the homeowner was inside the home.
A political fundraiser is usually an "invitation only" event.
Can Officer produce an invitation
and the check he wrote to enter the invitation only
fundraiser?
I sincerely doubt it.
She was not running a swap meet.
It was an invitation only fundraiser for like minded
people of her own party.
Deputy did not have the right to attend.
Brian Bilbray did not have the right to attend.
Obama did not have the right to attend unless invited
You, apparently, believe everything.
But I keep trying...
"This is a great place for opinion, but ask anyone for facts and they run away."
You're an idiot. And a lot of hot air.
Those are facts, not opinions.
If you do find it, I'm seriously interested so don't think you've won some kind of victory.
Call on God to turn them all into pillars of salt!
THAT will teach them to try to treat Gay Gestapoettes
like commoners!
I think the police chief and his unprofessional thugs are perhaps anatomically challenged, you know where, so they have to take down and pepper spray non-violent attendees of a fundraiser to show there manhood.
If you cro-magnun idiots in San Diago think this is acceptable behavior, and delight in kissing gestapo boots with such abandon, God help the normal citizens in your community. By the way, that police officer had no legal right to demand this womans birthdate
Perhaps some of you boot lickers belong with the militia groups in Idaho.
The police chief certainly does.
Observing from Eugene
You really seem to have good grasp on the situation. I am amazed how you became an instant expert on the topic after reading a single page article.
Do us San Diego cro-mag's a favor, stay in Eugene! I'll bet they have their own blog for you to pollute.
Jackass.
THAT
lil wigglie
is the WHOLE POINT here
Didn't ANYBODY learn anything from European history in the 20th century?
Wow! Absolutely amazing!
Enlighten us...what should we have learned from "European history in the 20th century"?
They spinnin', they spinnin!
Ha ha.
1. Before you discredit the IA investigation, allow it to run its course
2. There will be several independent investigations (Citizen's Review board, ACLU, etc...) to corroborate/discount the IA investigation
3. Rather than flame the process...try proposing a better solution
4. Your charactertizations of the investigation, "victims", neighbor and Deputy (as opposed to "cop") are quite colorful and show a real imagination
5. Your last sentence is off-the-chart stupid!
Try again...this time with more logic and less venom!
As for minuteman -- I thought you were in jail in Phoenix for launching a home invasion robbery on a Hispanic family.
That is the kind of people you are.
Go jack off on your swastika flag.
"Go jack off on your swastika flag."
I think you left it on the Pride boat. Normal people won't go near it. LOL.
That you CANNOT reason with fascists.
That the only good fascist is a DEAD fascist.
THAT is the lesson that needs to be APPLIED to these thug cops and their thug supporters.
And when I speak of thugs and fascists, obviously I am speaking, largely, about right-wing Republicans.
Republicans are a marginal, rabid, racist, regional, radical, rump of a party, and will remain so until they apologize to America -- and to the entire world -- for Bush, Cheney, and the Eight Years of Shame.
You fascists -- your heroes wiped their filthy asses with our Constitution.
You pathetic, rabid Republicans -- I was once one, long ago -- and if I were still one, I'd commit seppuku.
Google it, morons.
And go screw yourselves, right-wing police state fans.
We WILL overcome, over your dead bodies if necessary.
Preferably. Our society will be much better off without you fascists.
Congratulations!
Those crazy Republican facists can't take that from you!
Now, how does it differ from your one-note symphony?
Does your "one note symphony" remark imply concurrence with MadTom?
your post was the best and funniest yet!
First Prize for Tipsy Tom !!!!!!!
Our military in recruiting foreigner to make sure they have no attachment to American people or it laws.
If our forefathers could see the way the military and police force is policing this country they would >>>>>
Americans not longer have a say in this government's actions and policies.... They talk of Iran election being corrupted , but we had a president in 2001 thru 2008 which was never elected and they censored most of the demonstrations and protest about both stolen elections.
So our military will have complete control of every citizens information and factor of their life at their finger tip as well as the local police..
If you remember they have built detention centers , given all the control necessary to grab a person off the street and give no reason or have no warrant and do as the d... well please with and to them.
If you notice Obama has not rejected any of Bush Dictatorial policies or actions he put into action during his administration..
If you remember Previous presidents like IKE and John Kennedy warm of this military industrial complex taken control of our nation..
They receive over 54 percent of our nation budget and that is just about the same as all other nations combined including China and Russia...
UNTIL they learn THE HARD WAY that we won't take it.
Frankly, this means riots -- and some dead cops.
Those folks in Fallujah a few years ago had the right idea when they strung up those Blackwater mercenaries, who had behaved like VERY bad cops.
These things happen from time to time in history.
NOW is one of those times when such things NEED to happen.
When there is injustice and political imbalance, when justice is thwarted through the established procedures, then new procedures will be employed.
Count on it, Republicans, cops, fascists. But I repeat myself.
Timothy McVeigh had some of the same anger issues as you do, and we know what he did and what happened to him. I recommend you seek some medical attention, go see a counselor, or a therapist, you need help dude.....you're way off.
If you think that's an example of a successful revolution then all I can do is laugh.
BTW, genius, one of the biggest political supporters of the DNC in California are the law enforcement unions, which pay for their lobbyists out of the dues they collect from every cop.
See - there is such a thing as "IP Address" and, unless I am COMPLETELY mistaken, the UT is lawfully OBLIGATED to report what you said to the authorities.
Good luck with that .............
Har hardy har - should get all the loving you crave when in the clinker!
You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
I'd post more, but this is about as much as fair use will allow. Michael is dead, but his estate still owns the Beatles catalog along with Sony ... and Tito is vicious when it comes to copyrights.
Wow.
Don't feel bad..just think before you type next time.
Will you be demanding another apology tonight?
Hilarious!
They sure (the Whites) put on a good show for that jury. Now the police are back in the drivers seat wreaking havoc on our lives.
I see their cars and trucks and vans all over the place, but what are they doing?
I would bet that the average age of the folks at this political gathering were 55 or older I doubt that pepper spray and a helicopter were required. But I was not there and maybe an investigation can get to the bottom of what really happened. It seems like most folks write the script for this depending on what political side they are on. Let the investigation proceed both sides tell their story and then we can move on to more important things.
I'm guessing these people would have kept their hands to themselves had there been 3 or 4 cops there instead of just the one. Further, if they had a complaint, they would have demanded to speak to the deputy's field supervisor, who no doubt would have supported the original request for the information necessary to cut the hostess loose without immediate booking her for the PC 415 violation.
The Demoncrats are in charge and have been since the first if the year.
I was interested in the story and then, when finished, I thought I'd read some of the comments to see what people thought of this incidence. Having read the comments on this page for ten minutes, reading the gay bashing going on, making fun of people's age and weight, spewing anger, hate and humiliation with every post, all I can say is I'm glad I don't live there. I have only been in San Diego once, watching the Cardinals play the Padres. I thought SD was a laid back kind of place, filled with surfers and volleyball players and retired naval personnel. My lifer uncle lived there. Little did I realize that SD is filled with haters, homophobes and crazies on both sides. Now, I realize that usually it is only a small percentage of people who actually take time to comment on articles who are filled with hate and anger, yet you couldn't tell that from the comments here. You all should be ashamed of yourselves.
Frankie say relax.
You have not.
Come on, fella - get a new slogan.
A lot of people have figured out that the "oh that's so old, get a new routine" shtick is just another weak attempt to deflect when you realize the rest of us see through the hate.
The rest of us feel only pity for you.
Methinks you doth protest too much honey.
People in San Diego ARE goiing to object to being pepper sprayed and having 60 year old women thrown to the ground for refusing to publicly devulge their age at a Democratic fund raiser in a Congressional District where the previous Congressman is in prison for bribery.
We in San Diego do not expect our citizens to be taken political prisoner by our County Sheriff. The hatred being spewn was from the homophobic Republican neighbor who probably was the one who called the police knowing the Sheriff's deputies would not dare take him into custody. It appears we have a politically motivated Sheriff's Department.
Would that be a "homophobophobe", or a "homophobephobe", or a "homophobiaphobe"?
The only thing we have to fear, is phobia itself!
Truly ignorant, backwards and scared little people. They sound like they have "Larry Craig Syndrome".
Any right-wingers full of that much hate towards gay people have gotta be a closet cases.
You have not.
Come on, fella - get a new slogan
Methinks you doth protest too much sweetie.
Just take the time to see how they behave and what they type.
ANYONE who was indifferent a year ago no longer is.
Please clarify.
last election 48% of voters cast a "no" vote.
Now, since there are only 2.3% of the general population that is homosexual, that means about 45% either sided with you or were 'indifferent' - thought, "Ah, what the heck, give 'em what they are clammering for, what do i care".
Since then, with the RABID, HATEFILLED, and BIGOTED behavior of so many homosexuals for having been refused somehitng they demanded (ooooooooooo!), few people I speak with remain 'indifferent'.
THAT, I suppose, is why support for homosexual 'marriage' is dropping like a lead balloon. And why any thought you might have of getting support for any more 'special priviledges' in the near future is .......... well ........... is better left for the more distant future.
Clear?
Sweetie, I don't know what delusional bubble you live in, but public opinion about gay people has shifted radically to the left in recent years. How many states have recognized gay marriage now? Oh it seems like a new one every day, doesn't it? IOWA for heaven's sake! Hardly "dropping like a lead balloon"now, is it?
Listen sugar, I know you're scared. I know it must be dark and frightening in that place you're in now. But it'll all be OK, I promise. The sky will not fall. The world will not end if Adam and Steve go down to city hall and get that little piece of paper.
Release all that fear and hate. It's really not healthy for you.
I think if you will take the time to READ, you will find that precious few states have condoned what you call 'gay marriage'.
What you mention has been foisted on people through the courts or thru Gay Gestapo action in Legislature. And I think you will find that in most / all of THOSE cases, the people are preparing to put the matter back in the tash heap, where it belongs.
Why are you so scared? What are you afraid of?
Not that I don't already know.
This is so hilarious. Easy easy easy hot button freak out for uptight rightwing bigots.
You better circle the wagons cowboy! They're coming for your children!
2.3%
Here is the latest gov't study ......... the facts show a slightly LOWER percentage in Canada
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf
Page 7 Figure 8
TWO POINT THREE PERCENT
Now go to your corner
And seeing how most gay people are still closeted, you KNOW that "survey" MUST be completely accurate. I mean, I'm sure they went door-to-door and counted Larry Craig, Mark Foley and Ted Haggard in that survey, right? I mean, I'm sure the WIVES of these rightwing bigots volunteered the information of the hypocritical f*ggotry of their husbands, right?
Well, I'm just glad that "FollowMeStupido" can correct the rest of us about the true number of gays in America. Obviously he would know.
The Busby Brawl Chronicles: Busby's supporters in response to the deputy's pepper spray discharge, respond with Wizard air freshener (Rose Garden Delight), and their personal Channel perfume bottles at the offending deputy. I always wonder why they don't think of the resources at the time? Then again, I would not recommend such perp reaction, for pulling a can of Wizard and discharging it at the deputy with the pepper spray discharging at you, would probably, per his own training, procedures, protocols and policies, dictate a higher-level of force application to the point he would draw and fire about 5 rounds of a 9 or 10 into you, two center-mass chest rounds, one head shot, one shot back at the center-mass, and one shot into the can of Wizard air freshener. 5 more rounds into the French Poodle, and about 50 rounds into the crowd that was surrounding the deputy for a total of approximately 60 spent rounds, lots of crime scene tape, and a full inquiry by the D.A. and one criminal charge of a "unlawful discharge of a firearm" by the deputy, the rigged jury would find him not-guilty, he'd get a promotion to Sheriff of San Diego County. I miss the days of Duffy, I think the deputies were kinder and nicer, and probably more for the citizens than now, where it is more the US v. THEM mentality dictating the mental paradigms of too many cops. NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN.
your last comment to thegaymafia noted that the deputy was hit. thegaymafia agrees the deputy had the right to go after her into the house if he was hit outside.
he was already in her house, violating her 4th amendment rights, and that's where the physical contact took place.
thegaymafia believes the woman could have unloaded her shotgun into said deputy and defended herself based on 4th amendment.
thegaymafia thinks the "4th amendment" trumps "peaceful enjoyment"
that's the last thegaymafia has to say on the topic, we've been saying all along this deputy had no right to be inside that home based on a "noise complaint"
we're shocked at how the "conservative right" has enjoyed watching civil rights be trampled on merely because the person whose rights were stepped on was gay.
we're used to hatred, but we don't understand why you don't see how this can affect you, next.
"The more I look at this event using a star chamber of sages and seers, the more I believe Brian Bilbray is behind it all."
The more I read your psychotic ramblings, the more I believe you're a mental case who should be institutionalized.
Come on get a grip; well except Lunarcycle's cover call was funny though...
Seems to be the month of judging people's poor behavior and the police response to it.
Btw Echobravo and 1 other was challenging me on what PD actualy gets for training so a friend of mine sent a link form from DoJ: www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/sandlle.htm
" During 2006, a total of 648 state and local law enforcement training academies offered basic training programs averaging 19 weeks in length. Topics with the most instruction time included firearms (median of 60 hours), self-defense (51 hours), health and fitness (46 hours), patrol procedures (40 hours), investigations (40 hours), emergency vehicle operations (40 hours), criminal law (36 hours), and basic first aid (24 hours)"
Ed Meese, that great visionary rightwing thinker, thought this was a good idea when he chaired the committee that drafted the draconian federal sentencing guidelines under President Ronald Reagan.
Actually, if applied in ALL appropriate situations, it IS a good idea -- for several reasons:
1) It teaches the wrongdoer a lesson he needed to learn -- that he is not above the law.
2) It gives the wrongdoer's colleagues something to think about before they misbehave.
3) It reassures society that all -- even the police -- are accountable, that no one is above the law.
And the police SHOULD NOT be above the law. (Agree or disagree, Republican Sturmers?)
Cops -- like anyone else who's given special powers by our institutions -- should be held accountable, IN FULL, for their conduct --
1) On their own account, as individual human beings and members of society;
2) In order to set a GOOD example for their fellow officers; and
3) To maintain public trust and support.
This is not rocket science, it's not moonbat Marxism, it comes straight from rightwing demigod EDWIN MEESE Himself.
Unless society tells cops that they need to behave themselves -- and the cops GET THE MESSAGE -- then cops will continue to misbehave, as they did in this incident.
Police work attracts aggressive, sometimes violent, authoritarian personalities. That is not entirely a bad thing -- you want cops who give a darn -- but those tendencies need to be held in check, controlled in a professional manner, and especially, conducted within the lawful LIMITS of police authority.
In other words, cops need to obey the rules, too. (Agree or disagree, Republican Sturmers?)
Obviously a lot of cops -- and their admirers here -- believe otherwise.
Anyone who doesn't agree that cops need to be held accountable is simply someone who is advocating a police state -- and that describes the typical Southern California Republican mouthing off here tonight.
It IS that simple. Police state advocate = fascist.
As I learned in Europe as a child -- growing up in the ruins of Nazi destruction, murder, and plunder -- and seeing fascism show its face more and more nowadays in America --
You cannot reason with a fascist.
You need to take them out before they take you out.
What part of this does anybody not understand?
Now, this was CLEARLY a politicized raid carried out in bad faith by politicized cops.
They -- and their supporters -- should feel the heel of the law come down in THEIR faces for a change.
That's all I'm trying to say.
Republican fascists don't like to be told these things.
We need more loudspeakers.
marxist/communist left.
Hope you use yours whenever the need arises.
Jared
The left wing activists seem to be more fascist. You will accept their thinking and you will like it. Group think, socialism, collectivism, extreme environmentalism. They advocate taking by force (taxes, more taxes, more taxes) and social planning by political eletists.
"MadTom" is just a harmless loud mouth, shouting off but otherwise one who will not carry out the acts of violence he threatened against Republicans, cops, etc.
Maybe.
After columbine, though, it should not be for US to assume this.
I ask everyone to "report" this guy, so the UT is FORCED to alert authorities and a proper investigation can be conducted.
Look at it this way: if the guy is a total wack job and you end up reading about him in the papers - and you did nothing - don't you think you would wish you had at least taken the time to click on "report" .............. ?
And screw your Republican sheriff. He is TOAST.
We have put up with you Republicans in this country for the past Eight Years of Shame.
Your party is over -- or should I say -- your party, the GOP -- is dead meat.
Have fun in the pokey
Please note that these Repubithugs are actually APPLAUDING what happened.
Obviously you have a very politicized sheriff's department. They acted wrongly, they acted in bad faith. Obviously the San Diego area is home to a whole lot of fascist scum, too.
Now -- understand, please -- that these Republithugs are BRAZENLY, PROUDLY advocating a police state.
It is no vice to speak truth to power, and it is no virtue to cower before illegitimate power.
SCREW these rightwingers. Their true fascist colors are coming right through.
And as I said, fascists should be treated like rabid dogs, because they ARE rabid dogs.
You cannot persuade them to be nice doggies. They only laugh, and then they bite.
They are a Fifth Column among us, jackbooted thug traitors.
They are vicious vermin that belong with the Revolutionary Guard in Iran, not in America.
Please note that these Repubithugs are actually APPLAUDING what happened.
Obviously you have a very politicized sheriff's department. They acted wrongly, they acted in bad faith. Obviously the San Diego area is home to a whole lot of fascist scum, too.
Now -- understand, please -- that these Republithugs are BRAZENLY, PROUDLY advocating a police state.
It is no vice to speak truth to power, and it is no virtue to cower before illegitimate power.
SCREW these rightwingers. Their true fascist colors are coming right through.
And as I said, fascists should be treated like rabid dogs, because they ARE rabid dogs.
You cannot persuade them to be nice doggies. They only laugh, and then they bite.
They are a Fifth Column among us, jackbooted thug traitors.
They are vicious vermin that belong with the Revolutionary Guard in Iran, not in America.
I believe many cops are actually friends, in that they fully support the Constitution, want to do right, want to serve the community and fight crime. There is a segment of cops who are attracted to the power, the authority over others, the WE v. THEM mindset and love the idea of joining up with Federal Police, and would rather have a military-police environment than what USA once was. Knowing which cops are from which camp, is important, and what is worse, are when the good cops spend most their time protecting the bad ones who should have been thrown out (that is the cancer in many brotherhoods, organizations, institutions, organized groups, etc..).
Fortunately I don't live in Southern California, so I'm beyond the reach of your local Gestapo. I do follow national politics, though, and incidents like this are popping up wherever politicized cops are allied with the Republican Party. The GOP -- and the NRA gun fetishists, too -- are calling in some chips with law enforcement.
The NRA and the cops together make a pretty potent Fifth Column in America.
I will support my local Sheriff when he runs for re-election. I always contribute to his campaign and work for his election. He's a good RINO, and a good guy.
But why are so many cops -- in the well-educated, cosmopolitan, civilized, BLUE state of California -- such a pack of stinking fascist rabble?
To say nothing of their supporters ...
I live in in the Deep South, for goodness' sake. We do NOT encounter, nor do we tolerate, politicized law enforcement here. This would NOT have happened where I live. Some police corruption, yeah, but that's a given everywhere.
What happened in Rancho Santa Fe should not happen where ANYBODY lives.
Cops should serve and protect, and they should be deprogrammed from their fantasy role as politicized stormtroopers.
And any cop who doesn't get that should be fired, or go to prison, or worse.
They deserve it.
Cops who think and talk like the rightwing thugs on this forum should be consider armed enemies.
Remember, the only good stormtrooper is a DEAD stormtrooper.
THANK YOU GOD FOR ANSWERING MY PRAYERS.
I was in a little bit of depression after the Silva/White thing was over with, but now I'm back to my usual self.
Get ready for my 2000 pound swizzle stick posts.
I didn't think that this was political until I read that comment from Sgt Yancey. Anyone other than a cop who took a "leadership role" was getting pepper-sprayed and/or handcuffed.
The following excerpts are from posts by people who say they were at the party, made in defense of the host. Not
surprisingly, the stories seem to have changed , after
realizing the fresh after the incident versions were quite incriminating to the party goers.
Are the attendees in contact, and working together in a desperate attempt to villify the officer
in order to cover the crime(s) allegedly commited by the host & attendees? Resisting , aiding& abetting by interfering with
an officer etc?
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Hoste...
dontlie - 6/27/2009
"When Francine made her remarks at about 8:15 or so the mic was so low that those in the back were having a hard time
hearing her. What we did hear was a very loud very vulgar neighbor from behind a hedge shouting insults. Francine made a
joke about that and the crowd cheered which was the noisiest it got all evening."
eyewitness - 6/27/2009
"3 police officers entered the home without a warrent, or a warning, and one addressed the owner, in the middle of her own
living room, demanding to know her birhdate. The woman gave her name, but chose not to give her birthdate without any
cause for this police inquiry in the middle of her own living room. She turned away from the officer. He grabbed her arm, she
pulled away, about 15 guests came up to support her, holding onto her, the police officer pushed her to the floor to arrest
her...the 15 guests tried to assist her on the floor, pulling her away from the officer in her own living room...one of them shoved
the officer away from her. The officer pulled out pepper spray and sprayed at least 7 people directly in the face, from a
distance of no more that 12 inches...they all fell to the floor in agony."
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The posts are quite telling, and the fact they were posted soon after the incident adds to the credibility since there was less
chance of collusion, and memories were fresh & likely not clouded by other attendees versions, or advice from attorneys.
This leaves me with a disgusted and helpless feeling. Surely there is something that we can do?
This is another in a long line of incidents, we have spineless and inept politicians....long over due to start calling on our government either step up to plate or find new jobs
Pissing off the people in Rancho Sante Fe gets more reaction than gay marriage issues.